To deny that different systems produce different qualities of fighters is to deny the obvious- thats WHY we have different styles of martial arts, because different people have different approaches to combat. Lets look at someone like Maurice Smith, a world class kickboxer who started fighting MMA. He didnt fair too well initially, losing many of his matches to others train in grappling. Then he starts training in a different style under Frank Shamrock, and next thing you know hes knowledgable of the ground fight and able to fend for himself on the ground long enough to get back to his feet- which is what he used against Mark Coleman in their fight for a win. The same goes for Igor Vovchanchyn- a quality kickboxer who gets beat by a quality wrestler in Mark Coleman who manages to drop a few knees from the north south position. Vov goes on to train more extensively in his ground game, and now hes able to throw his weight around on the ground. Then theres people like Stefan Leko, a K-1 world class kickboxer who is every bit an athlete if there ever was, but hes atrocious in mixed martial arts because he has no ground skills and training whatsoever. Then you have someone like Royce Gracie, who's anything but an athlete- hes not fast, hes not strong, and hes not big. Hes done karate for about 15 years, but still cant strike worth anything off the feet. He won his fights because he trained in the martial art that gave him the edge to defeat his opponents. Someone like Harold Howard was credited as being a canadian ju jitsu champion/black belt, but he went on to be pounded out by a TKD fighter who weighed less than he did and had no ground experience at all- even when comparing JJJ and BJJ, there is a big difference in styles.