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Right I am going to stick my neck out here but here goes Does taekwondo facilitate any internal energy like in japan the Ki or chi in chinese martial arts All i have seen is all external not having a pop, again just interested I have never heard of TKD do any development in that part apart from shouting for the sake of shouting. I know karate has sanchin and since tkd was developed from karate did it pass it way through. many thanks for your comments

I usually angle in and then hook down. So, it starts as a spear and then turns into a hook or a claw. Tiger claw type attacks are more for hooking and gripping "meat". A bicept, a tricept or the neck. Something like that where your getting a handle on things. In chinese martial arts the dragon was used more to seize hook and control . . . So would the strike I've been practicing be more of a dragon's claw than what I'd thought, a Tiger's claw, Fujau? That would depend on how you shape your hand, The shape of the hand is depicting what strike you use the dragon hand / claw looks like the tiger claw but it is used in a different way the claw shape should be slightly curled over as if you hand looks like its crippled it is used for locking and seizing there are strikes that can be used like the dragon horn but thats done with steel rod fingers like a spear hand but applied in a different way. I have been told back in the day the dragon claw was used to strike and claw the pressure points and with the added bonus of the finger nails were used to pierce the points to give untold damage. the tiger claw uses a simple and direct approach. paws and then reaps IMAO If you look at any style across the world everybody seems to have a take on its description and its action Like the cats stance we call it a hanging stance why? Well i have been told you never see a cat in that position which kinda makes sense But the cat stance sounds better

Why the vibrations for finger and palm strikes, Sil Lum Fighter? And do you continue the pressure while doing this? The purpose of the vibrating is because if you don't, when you strike the bag the impact or shock of the strike will bounce back and up your arm and cause damage to you. Over time it can cuase damage/effect your vision. I know this sounds crazy, I thought that too but it has been documented. Also the vibrating serves another purpose as well, it cultivates chi flow and can cause internal damage to the person you strike (if done to the proper vital area and/or pressure points). and also when the strike is vibrated the pain is more intense try squeezing something tender you will find your body can adjust to the pain but if your vibrate the squeeze the body can not really adjust to the pain which is really good in chinna

I usually angle in and then hook down. So, it starts as a spear and then turns into a hook or a claw. Tiger claw type attacks are more for hooking and gripping "meat". A bicept, a tricept or the neck. Something like that where your getting a handle on things. In chinese martial arts the dragon was used more to seize hook and control where as the tiger was to palm and then reap very much away a cat uses its claws to strike then reap with the claws Is this the same in japenese arts

The throat is a vulnerable area to the average joe and I have seen some self defense techniques is probably more dangerous to them selves and quite frankly wont stack up in a live defense situation. What i think is key is having the versatility to adapt. ie if you strike the forehead say with a palm strike then leaves the throat wide open. It all comes to try and make the opening. sticky hands is a good training aid for this it allows flexibility in opening targets and closing target. As in anything in life there are more ways to skin a cat.

The simple answer is If you practice them then you earn the right to use them

Interesting you should mention healing in an earlier post, as Otsuka was a "bone setter" along side being a martial artist. A handful of Wado dojo still teach resuscitation techniques, but that is very rare. A lot of our senior people have followed the way in the healing arts from acupuncture acupressure and herbal stuff like all traditional martial arts back in the day you didn't have a&e on your doorstep lol. And half the time in fact or may be all the time you have to fight to save your life so the broken arm had to be fixed in the battlefield or at home I guess you will get a yin and a yang in any thing you do destroyer and healer still on the search for the gings get back to you

many thanks for that I do find that very interesting some of the concepts are very much the same in lau ie Zanshin Sen, Sensen no Sen, and Go no Sen. One of our tenants is do not move until the attacker does but i guess that is probaley the same in many styles I think it is said in samuri the first person attacks is the first person to make the mistake. I was once told everybody is trying to get to the top of the mountain Kung fu on the west side karate one the east judo on the south east etc On each side of the mountain everybody's sees a view and thinks its the best in the world I guess i have decided to walk around the other side of the mountain to see what people are looking at. lol I will try and see if I can find you some gings that I am talking about. You probably have them but called in a different way some of the techniques in chinese culture like snatching the pearl etc often means grapping the groin if you know what I mean lol So I guess it is lost in translation. many thanks for the link

Errrh actually no i find this very interesting. What are the principles of wado In lau we have 8 main power generations (gings) of sink, swallow, spit, stamp, bounce, shake, pull & startle plus the 16 subdivides gings it gets very complicated. Does wado have any of these concepts or distinct power generations ? You can look at any art on the surface but you never understand the depth of the style which is some times missing or overlooked or forgotten. Competitions are fine when you are younger lol but alot of people sometimes forget the true art and what it is about and forget what it was designed for Basically to destroy your oppenent in the quickest way I dont know if this has been watered down in the so called sporting world for being PC But i really love the history and development of the styles from the start to the never ending and the understanding of kyusho and relaying that into your forms/katas and the healing side of qi gong is like opening pandoras box.

Is there any variations in the main 3 organizations when I mean variations i mean Katas one organization this way another that. And if so why the reason for the question we are always taught nothing is wrong as long as it is done properly with in reason does Karate instill a very structured syllabus and nothing is different through the organizations.

Check your pulse when you are having a attack

Hi John When you get these dizzy spells just take your pulse you might have a Arrhythmia on your heart It sounds like if you go too anaerobic it triggers the heart. If your pulse is irregular then its a good chance it is out of rhythm BUT PLEASE NOTE I AM NOT A DOCTOR. But I have the same problem as soon as you push into that zone my heart will go into fibrillation I get dizzy dont feel well it is not life threatening as such just makes you more pron to strokes Plus it is not nice when there is something you enjoy doing gets in the way. Even at 25 these thing can plague you dont worry just get it checked out then you can adjust your training accordingly. take care

As Wa-No-Michi pointed out, these are two different styles of Karate, but I can really see the differences between the two. I liked the second vid better. On the first one, although the guy's hand movements were quick, he did a lot of opening and closing his hands, and used that zippy circular motion to make his techniques quick. I didn't notice as much hip usage with his kata, either. Still, both look much better than I could make it look. In my eyes the japanese guy looked more karate and is what i would expect if i saw it in a comp or dojo IMAO

Wow yeah small world Neville Wray is still there taller than ever and still does lau Keven Brewton has left now and still does kick boxing i believe he spends more time in the states. Not that i know him you just here it through the grapevine Lau Gar has never been kick boxing par say there is a lot more than meet the eye when you fight a lau fighter admittedly I am probably the worst to demonstrate ha ha But we still fight in a street traditional way. Not the films lol I will never leave lau it is my roots my blood. I was just interested in Karate power generation I travel up and down the country attending courses and extra training with the likes of Ian waite and tom muncy who came in the Uk last year there roots are in Karate and Kenpo and other japanese styles I know they are not the same. But you meet new people learning different stuff. Very much what was said in the earlier post. about learning chen it sometimes takes anoter style to learn about your own. ie we all can speak english but if you try and learn french or another language it often makes you understand english better because you start cross referencing between language. In reference to wado someone told me that there was a split I think about 1990s could be wrong

Hi fujau, They are from two different systems, so they will be performed differently. The Wado version is (as you can see) performed by Hiroji Fukazawa who is a senior instructor with Mr Suzuki's group - Wado Kokusai Karate-Do Remni. In answer to your question, there are other short range techniques (shorter than the ones shown), but I think it is important to remember that the moves we have talked about so far (in Karate anyway) are techniques in Katas. Without going into detail about why Katas are performed, in short the techniques shown in these Katas are not necessarily how they are performed in application. Perhaps a better example can be seen in some of these paired katas. Kihon Kumite as these are called, contain many short range techniques (for in fighting), but again bear in mind these are katas so the further application could be different. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH_HJDQWpOc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iyZoqPYXIM&feature=related Enjoy I thought there was only one wado ryu at least it was back in the 80 s when I used to fight you guys thanks for the vids intresting

this is what i found IMAO i can see the power generation but it does look a exaggerated and looks like he is trying to go fast loosing technique where this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3Y_Lpf985c imao looks better small hip movement nice power generation looks firmer and show more intent in the power is this the shortest range of techniques in wado ie the distance in striking I dont know who these guys are as I am not in the Karate circles again general interest in karate and in power generation

Also how is energy produce from a punch does the power originate from the hips like a whip or does it get produce from rooting in the stance with a slight sink many thanks

To be honest, my interpretation of chi (ki) probably differs from yours fujau, but I can't help sense from your posts that you are trying to suggest that somehow Chinese arts have a deeper understanding of the "ethereal" strengths contained within ma. Its all about basic physics at the end of the day, with the right mindset and good honest training. Sorry Wa No Mich My post was not intended to be bias to any country what so ever. And I not going to be pulled into any style bias here either. My initial question was do karate have fa ging or slight vibration when struck. It was a genuine interest in Karate as I have seen the masters perform and some were talking about Ki. Thats all plain and simple It was a general interest in Karate can anyone point me in the direction of a good example is the kiai punches in Naihanchi Shodan as suggested by unknownstyle Ive heard of professional boxers sometimes get the energy transfer when they punch as well bushido_man96 I have been hit through the pad like that myself but I ended up on the floor Explain it i cant. feel it i can. Not a nice feeling I am not a physics teacher to explain

COOL Thats a great philosophy to have I have attend karate course as well as TKD all knowledge is good knowledge but my roots will always will be with lau But Likewise chen has shown me things as well.

E Hi shawn Even though i am a great believer on points but also there are some people that it will not work, I think it is about 10% where many people just dont feel the pain. What I have found out larger woman with natural body fat are very yin and yielding and some men as well. Although the twisting of fingers in a torque position or a arm bar in a classical chinna way will be nasty, a sudden realization of, if that striking on certain points doesn't work you must adapt to something else but again, it is just extra players to the game. And yet i have seen people say it doesn't work then find themselves on the floor in the recovery position LOL I think the key is if you bring more players to the game you stand a better chance of winning.

There is no arm strength involved it bascially moves in mind follows breath follows energy (Ging) (or the Chines would like to call it chi as he ducks for cover from the non believers ) If you relax and punch is the best way of understanding it is following the four learning principles 1 - unconscious incompetence 2 - conscious incompetence 3 - conscious competence 4 - unconscious competence the last one is where you want to be he dosent think of being stiff for power because that will slow him down and reduce speed the wing chun practitioner will never be stiff until the last moment of impact which should follow majority of fighting arts

@moriniuk How long have you been studying chen it is a lovely art that seems not to loose its martial applications

Thanks for the info guys Yeah I have been on the receiving end as well at the end I had a severe coughing fit and the other well I was on all fours with no energy in me totally deflated but with breath. I guess experience counts for everything but it hurts

Hi WNM I never said anything mystical energy transfer this is what i was referring to sorry should of shown the link first these are the chinese way the second link is a tai chi form the fa ging or jing is where the body reverbs with the strike like a shake just wondered if you had that sort of thing in Karate thats all Please there is no mystic super powers

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