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Hi robothat I have a couple of people i teach that have done other styles from black belt taekwondo to 2nd dan goju ryu karate. They find it hard to adapt but it takes time as they have had that blue print of those styles impressed on them I always tell them don't forget what they have learned as it is useful just use it in a different way. Kung fu suits the body not you suit kung fu. If you are a kicker or a puncher it will bring he best out of you. I have many good kickers as well as punchers in my class some can even kick better than i but as i point out to them You can have a formula one car outside but can you drive. It depends on how adaptive your are and how you want to be

I practice a southern base system and the yells started loud when I was a beginner but now they are more like small sneezes for a better word it depends on the degree of what you are doing with the techniques You also could go down the route of having the five elements shouts which will depend on the outcome of the strike being yin or yang or attacking on the meridians to give greater effect. etc in a real life tumble i would find this hard to do but i guess if you practice it you earn the right to use it

i dont think there is a style like arnis but but to your question will a kung fu person pick up a stick and use it probably yes try not to think of a weapon as weapon but a extension of your hand

I agree with you on this I think everybody wants to be the weekend warrior when I first started in Kung Fu in the 80s we used to do press ups on wrist fingers if it was not hard enough it was not good now where i teach Maybe i am older and wiser but as I look back with fondest memories Did i really need to do that conditioning i guess yes it wasn't the destroying of your hands but it was the mental pressure that you where put under that help you develop as a martial artist. And again in this climate of teaching and litigation sometimes it is best to run a line on health and safety lol

Excellent post

Errrh yeah but if you look at the transcribes of wushu and how they got there it get a bit complicated so best let it be. i have some links somewhere to explain the transcribes

lol yeah probably shouldn't use it, especially when talking to a Chinese-stylist.

so who did create it. I can see it is not derived from Taekkyon as Taekkyon seems more like northan kung fu with it fluidity and softness. I know a kick is a kick punch is a punch regardless of style. But Tkd just seems more a karate without the depth of the internal side any takers would be helpful I don't think you can really say who created it. The reason I say that is becuase TKD isn't really just one thing. TKDTutor does a decent job of explaining it all: http://www.tkdtutor.com/02Taekwondo/TaekwondoHistory/14TKDDevelopment02.htm Basically though, you have a bunch of Korean guys who get educated in Japanese martial arts (mainly Shotokan and some Judo thrown in) before and during the Japanese occupation of Korea. These guys then set up their own schools (called the Kwans) during the 1940s and early 1950s and start teaching their "Karate", sometimes called Tangsoo-Do or Kongsoo-Do. After the war the masters start getting together and you begin to see the beginnings of TKD as the groups begin unifying. Then in 1955 the kwan leaders and Korea's president decide it would be a good idea to have a unique Korean name for the style and "Taekwondo" is born (not all of the Kwans go under this name though, that's why you still get styles like Moo Duk Kwan, Tang Soo Do etc). After that people start arguing and splitting and you end up with the ITF and WTF. So in a sense "Taekwondo" is just like using the term "Kung Fu", it just describes a group of similar styles from a region and you can't really pinpoint its creation down to one man. Probably not the best reference using kung fu as kung fu means hard work so you could do kung fu cutting the grass or cooking sorry to pick hairs. But I understand what you are saying thanks for the response

I do not do Karate but all concepts always seem the same ie block and counter although kung fu does it in a different way its all the same. But there is a series pod casts on breaking down applications on Itunes and it is free I have found this very interesting and interpretation very good there are some masters of tkd and karate at the top of the game. explaining things from there forms. It has help me to interpret thing s in kung fu forms even better as well worth a look go to itunes then podcasts and type Martial Arts Explorer there is at least 50 or so podcasts production is very good keep well

no worries I was thinking would there be the same instance with tkd and karate I think I will rummage around

so who did create it. I can see it is not derived from Taekkyon as Taekkyon seems more like northan kung fu with it fluidity and softness. I know a kick is a kick punch is a punch regardless of style. But Tkd just seems more a karate without the depth of the internal side any takers would be helpful

I was on the kukkiwon site looking at the origins of the style and found this http://www.kukkiwon.or.kr/english/information/information01.jsp?div=01 then i went on the itf website and found this http://www.tkd-itf.org/pub_web/ver_eng/founder.html my question is what is what there seems ambiguity on both counts and ideas

Hi Karate Guys I put this up in the kung fu section just thought you might be interested in the link to sanchin and white crane kung fu a very interesting transition

yeah that would be cool this what i have found which does show a transition from kung fu to karate i would of thought if you reverse the roll the other way would of been more beneficial horses for courses

Sorry to offend but this is not intentional but TKD has no resemblance to kung fu at least WTF you could of done karate for that matter the structure is all wrong the method and understanding is total different . Ie WTF does not really use the tiger claw the stance does not resemble any kung fu style apart from the hanging stance (cat to some people ) the stance is rather long apart from there first poomsea which is really not a stable stance and the main principle of scma is the depth of stance and the close quarter range of fighting so tkd is more bias to Northern style type of kung fu with their kicks And the tkd horse stance is hell of a difference to a hung gar horse stance look here this does not reassemble tkd I put it down to you can pick up forms well which is cool and as long as you keep training hard regardless of style good for you

In general its only an ITF thing so WTF don't use it. With regards to ITF vs. WTF, they are pretty different in everything but name . Even the way in which they each throw a roundhouse is different (ITF also call it a turning kick instead). so which one is the original one Depends what you mean by original. ITF was created first but is by no means representative of TKD as a whole. They're quite lengthy but these articles may help: http://www.tkdtutor.com/02Taekwondo/TaekwondoHistory/12ModernTKD01.htm http://www.tkdtutor.com/02Taekwondo/TaekwondoHistory/13EarlyMasters01.htm http://www.tkdtutor.com/02Taekwondo/TaekwondoHistory/14TKDDevelopment01.htm http://[list=] Wow and i thought Chinese martial arts was convoluted So what is TKD apart from the different Orgs And how are the kicks different what is the Philosophy behind the two orgs In layman's terms theres Karate with some northern kung fu thrown in am i wrong just really trying to grips with this art and to see if there is depth as I cant see a 10th dan 80 -90 years old doing a jump split kick with out having hip problems lol

In general its only an ITF thing so WTF don't use it. With regards to ITF vs. WTF, they are pretty different in everything but name . Even the way in which they each throw a roundhouse is different (ITF also call it a turning kick instead). so which one is the original one

here is a link that i have found http://tkdtutor.com/06Concepts/Power/HipSnapWindingSineWave/HipSnapWindingSineWave01.htm On page two they have examples of the sine wave Is the form meant to bob up and down like that ie so much. In tcm we are taught to make the power generations very small at the start it is big at the beginning but as time goes on it is not noticeable and the hips moment is very small etc. The video they show there is very deliberate in the movements. If you find any videos from competitions on like YouTube, they too tend to be exaggerated. I guess it varies in how much emphasis an individual school wants to place on it. One thing I would point out though, is TKDTutor separates sine wave and hip snap as too different methods, IMO its possible to utilise both. I guess it is due to the performance does this theory applies to WTF as well I would like to think tkd is tkd opposed to the different iTF and wtf is only different in the fighting style and the forms Duurhhh which I think has just answered my question [/i]

here is a link that i have found http://tkdtutor.com/06Concepts/Power/HipSnapWindingSineWave/HipSnapWindingSineWave01.htm On page two they have examples of the sine wave Is the form meant to bob up and down like that ie so much. In tcm we are taught to make the power generations very small at the start it is big at the beginning but as time goes on it is not noticeable and the hips moment is very small etc.

Does anyone practice the sine wave theory in there poomse many thanks

I have a vid of it being done somewhere send me a pm i can send it to you it works on your reaction time faster as well. We all have been there where you have kick or punch someone and can not replicate the timing speed and power this is a good exercise for the training

Agreed there is not a unlimited source of adrenaline in the body but there again you only dump it when you fight for real and not sparring. But what I am saying if you over exhaust the dump this is not good for you as you are putting unnecessary demands on your adrenal glands Who said anything about Zen masters I am just looking at the depth of the style. Are there applications that was designed in the forms still there or is it just forgotten (which is sad) and is it made up as time goes by there are many different aspects martial arts as you all know. But i think having an open mind to look at things in a different way will only allow you to improve IMAO so are we saying that the forms have no internal aspect to the style.

Adrenaline Dump in the way I have been taught is where adrenal grands produce the hormone which allows you to fight or run. To train for this type of exercise to much can cause problems as you can exhaust the gland to much and then will take a long time for it to recover.. The way to train is stand relaxed hands by your side and wait for for a loud bang, made by another person often using to focused mitts together. When the bang goes off you should jump but trying to lift your arms up in the air and body jumps on the balls of the feet then relax again and wait for the next bang. It looks comical from the outsider but you training your adrenal gland to function when you want it to this is what is called Adrenaline Dumping This principle allows you to use one of the chinese gings startle. If you can train it right the same effect of the sudden fright you can feel your heart pounding ready for action but in a controlled manor Everybody know the feeling when they get that sudden fright palms are sweaty and you are ready to go. I think the word Adrenaline as you call it focuses the mind is more showing intent trying to rough someone up. When I fight i can play still hitting hard but when I want to be serious my body language changes my eyes become emotionless which generally intimidates the person that i mean business but in saying that once you have trained the way i have explained you can train the mind to use one word that can translate for your body to fight or run Like i said if overuse your adrenaline gland to much there will be health issues involved So i think the want you mean is showing intent which will focus the mind in turn

@ Truestar Interesting how you call it a adrenaline dump. I have used the same but not for your opponent We do it where we are relaxed and wait for the sharp bang on noise to startle you in to flight or fight. I am not to sure why you want to adrenaline dump someone else. Or does the shout focus your intent somehow they shout for the sake of shouting but not showing intent sorry it is only what I have seen. @bushido_man96 Intresting book where it says it incorporates flowing circular patterns of kung fu and the abrupt linear movements of Karate. There must be more in the forms that for the sake of doing the forms look at Chonkwon this looks more like a northern chinese form with some flavors of hakka style kung fu like the Phoenix eye punch and hung gar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9aF7ZqI04s&feature=related ie look at Ilyeo the shape of why the forms are made I have spoken to a 7th dan in tkd and are a bit lost on some of the movements now I know it is down to the instructor but surly the length of time you train and grade you hold must allow you go deeper in to the martial arts. and forms Although TKD is fairly new but surly like any majority of Traditional Martial arts you start of hard and higher you go you go internal again not trying to poke the bear in the zoo but I am interested in Martial arts and the applications and there traditional thoughts why the forms were designed and what was the intent.