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Never seen Muay Thai forms although you could "create" forms by putting a handful of combinations together JKD - so much hype about this style, I personally don't see any difference between JKD and Filipino Martial Arts, Bruce "borrowed" a lot of techniques from many styles to create his JKD. Bruce was a good actor and a good Martial Artist, but it doesn't make anyone else as good as he was just because they do JKD. Regards Lineage, who cares really unless it means something to you. If its a style you wanna practice and you like what he teaches you just go for it but take it at face value, I'd recommend Ashihara or Enshin Karate if you want a modern hybrid

Question. With regards to kicking how can you rectify techniques of kicks from standing in fighting stance to dleivering the kick to rechambering the kick WITHOUT causeing damage to the joints and tendons of the student. Many people beginning kick with the "side" of the ankle when kicking a bag, "unless" you have an Instructor watching you and sporting the technique! Also punching where the punch comes from the position of the body, the tension of the body at specific times during the life of the technique and how to rechamber the punch All this CAN NOT be taught online. It needs an instructor infront of you, I know that because i see it all the time from beginners Internet training is "Monkey Says - Monkey Does" it can teach you to do the techniques but it can't teach you them correctly or why they're there

Thanks Patrick

Japanese Judo Instructor Guilty of Killing 6 year old student I needed to pass this onto the Martial Arts Community, the original link is http://www.kyokushin4life.com/forums/showthread.php?p=232132#post232132 --------------------------------------------------------------- Something wrong here at least 114 deaths from Judo training between 83 and 2010 and this is an instructor guilty of the death of a 6 year old from repeatedly slamming him during training - sad to think this is a sport which is meant to develop character. http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/835...r-guilty-death

I'd be interested to see this if you can find any videos for us. Most of the videos you see on Youtube of their sparring tend to be of the more semi-contact variety, like most karate styles. Knockdown kumite is a different animal than most types of karate kumite. I'll pop around to my good Friends Dojo and ask if I can film their sparring then put it on Youtube I also find Goju Sparring close to the way we spar, the dojo where I go to now and again they also allow strikes to the groin

Strange, as I know many Shito Ryu Dojos who spar just as hard as many Kyokushin/Knock-Down Karate Dojos

Totally agree, Going through the kata's in you mind you will find that you body will twitch automatically, you could do Coach kata or Bed kata So you wont have any issues forgetting kata this way

We Have Kudo Daito Juko which is Kyokushin and Judo Mix which has arrived quite recently I've always used locks and throws and sweaps in my Karate and Groundwork so nothing different there for me

I would say it is like Goju Ryu - hard but soft and circular like most Okinawan Styles

Brentyj-san You get out of karate WHAT you want out of it! No if you Love Goju it IS an excellent base to work from but you know if you begin another style you will need to put your Black Belt away from site for many years. Kyokushin is an Excellent step up (in Kumite) from Goju as Goju forms part of Kyokushin's "DNA". If you can stick with your current style as its already given you so much already. Have you discussed the issues with your Sensei, if he is a good sensei he will be able to accomodate you or give you "permission" to Cross-Train. Be careful as he may ask you to find a new avenue in your journey through the Ryu. Find out if there is a Kyokushin School near you. There is also Ashihara, Enshin and Daido Juku which are stlyes you could look at but Ashihara and Enshin have a different approach to Kata and Fighting.

OSU, me neither, LOL

OSU!! Evergrey-san Definately plenty of info for you to attain, especially on K4L! Are there no Ashihara or Enshin Dojo's that you and some of the guys can go and train with to see how we do it, Garyu kata to me is where Ashihara and Enshin Kata stemed from! You are ALWAYS welcome in my Dojo if ever you get to come over to Manchester, I will show you how Ashihara has moved on from Kyokushin, (Ashihara Kancho was one of Sosai's Uchi Deshi at the same time as Hanshi Steve Arneill, and was one of Sosai's best ambassadors of Kyokushin, until he had to leave for various reasons).

It depends on whatever we're talking about. I honestly don't see this as an issue, as the knockdown community is quite small so we all have to band together as much as we can. Exactly, we need to band together so how do we acknowledge all types of Knockdown Karate? Do we give it a generic label "Knock Down Karate" or do we all "fall" under the umbrella of "Kyokoushin" regardless of style within the knockdown community

But It DID happen, we have from Kyokushin Ashihara Karate Enshin Karate Daido Juku Budo And other styles which are not mentioned but can be found on the web All exactly what you have described above

The One thing I don't like about some Kyokushin Karateka, they are so Kyokushin, they don't acknowledge its syblings Ashihara Karate and Enshin, Karate, although I must say there is a presence on Kyokushin4Life forum, who some are posters on both. When I post I mention Knockdown Karate and specify Kyokushin, Ashihara, Enshin and Daido Juku, but come on Kyokushin Karateka why do you not do the same?

This is an excellent discussion!!! My interpretation of complete is a style that works with Verbal confrontation To Stand-up striking To Stand-up grappling To Ground fighting *But at each step an escape is there* I suppose if we look at Karate AND Judo together, these style complement each other, the same as Karate and Jujitsu complimented each other to form Wado (Sojobo, please confirm with me that some Wado'ists are undecided whether Wado Ryu/Kai is Karate or Jujitsu) Also if you take a Korean Striking art and mix it with Daito Ryu Jujitsu you get Hapkido! So this has been done before but not questioned Karate is like Western Boxing, Bushido Man will second me on this one, used to have strike and throws and grappling in it. I am sure Bush’ man would have some Photo's to upload showing Boxers doing throws etc. It was the fact that certain training was NOT passed on from Instructor to Student, possibly because the student didn't stay long enough to learn the Bunkai to the kata they learned. Or certain Legal issues that prevented it being done like the banning of Japanese Martial Arts by the American Forces staying in Japan after the Second World War! Training in a grappling style Like Judo to complement you Karate DOESN'T make it an MMA because in that case everything after Naha Te, Tomari Te and Shuri Te is MMA as they mixed style etc to make Okinawan karate. If we look at Chin Na this is the grappling art of Gung Fu and it’s after at least 10 years of training that a practitioner gets to learn it, and this is all taken from the forms they been learning. For a Gung Fu practitioner to practice Chin Na is NOT additional it just part of the style he is practicing, it doesn't make it MMA. Same as Karate. The only thing is we in this day and age have to find other sources to learn the stuff that the founders failed to pass on to us.

Looking forward to it. I am too, Also would you be able to expand on the difference between Wado Ryu and Wado Kai, my appologies for not differenciating between the 2 on my post regards Kihon Gumite

I feel that "KARATE" IS a complete fighting style, the only thing is we HAVE to study other Arts, like Judo, to find what we already know within our chosen RYU. I have added some kata from Judo and other styles Old and new and a style Daido Juku Kudo which is a Kyokushin Judo Mix, the "latest" HYBRID "Fighting" Karate GOSHIN JITSU KATA (JUDO) KIME NO KATA (JUDO) Sorry but I am using DAIDO JUKU KUDO to emphasis the use of Techniques http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyApeFXVhp0&list=FLhQonTwDRlWjHXpE9uPl7nQ&index=10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITufXJlVmCs&feature=mh_lolz&list=FLhQonTwDRlWjHXpE9uPl7nQ Then we go to Okinawan Karate NAIHANCHI KATA (SHORIN RYU) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AXOu1SKde4&list=FLhQonTwDRlWjHXpE9uPl7nQ&index=14 And ASHIHARA KARATE (JISSEN KATA) This now moves on to a kata which is used in many karate styles which emphasises all of the above BASSAI DAI (SHOTOKAN BASED) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzYTDQNHVXk

Not tremendous difference, they are both pretty much doing the same moves from a functional stand-point. Exactly Ueshiro-san Its just dare I say a difference of opinion. Or for example may be a different Dialect, i have read that Otsuka Sensei practiced the Pinans/Heians the same way as Funakoshi but either Mabuni Sensei of Shito-ryu and Motobu Choki Sensei re-taught Otsuka Sensei the Kata the "original" way?

Because WE have allowed Johnny's Mummy to dictate what the contents of a Karate School Training should be is the reason why Karate has become what it is today! I am happy with my small school, I accept Black belts from other schools and martial arts styles who didn't realise how effective Karate could be. We train for the street. In fact this is one of my motos " Karate for the street not for trophies" I always tell my "Mummies" from Day 1 this is a FULL Contact Karate School and they will get hit by other students during their training. If They "Winge" i always advise them taking up Gymnastics as they wont get punched or kicked then! I'm not saying that from day 1 we go in a beat the newbies to an inch of their life but the opposite, allow them the confidence to hit the other person and "FEEL" what it is like to hit someone, and "FEEL" what its like to be hit by someone too. I know the first time I got hit "Full Contact" I thought "Is that it?" Kata has been taught as pretty dances with no reason to it, then the Karate schools have a "SEPARATE" Self-Defence series of techniques, WHY??? Because everything you need is IN the KATA!!!! Why spend time practicing a Kata when not evern your Instructor knows what its for. This is why MMA etc is so popular. The Student "feels" like he can get the same effect "WiTHOUT" having to learn "Senseless" Kata - This is what a Jeet Kune Do practitioner told me Kata was, a shame he lives in another Country as I would have invited him to see how ineffective Karate Kata is. Hopefully changing his mind and giving him a positive mindset on Karate too.

So back to differences between Wado and Shotokan it can be seen in the first kata Shotokan's Heian Shodan (Kanazawa Sensei) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rgg8vF_l8ZI Wado's Pinan Nidan (Jiro Otsuka Sensei)

Yes, I already had Klemola's ebook - there are some interesting points there. Ref: your comments I have emboldened above, it would not surprise me if you had practiced something similar to Ohyo Gumite, however I would be surprised if you had come across anything quite like Wado's Kihon Kumite set. As you will have read in Klemola's book he says these were - in the most part - created by Otsuka from his experiences in Koryu Bujutsu (Samurai art of ancient Japan) namely kenjutsu and Jujutsu / Atemi Jutsu. Are you able to post a YT clip so I can compare. Sojobo Hi Sojobo-san Can't find anything on YT to emphasis what I wanted to show you, I'll have to do some once my knee is better Here's a few Ashihara Videos to show our core http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tqXH2fGnvg&feature=related Here's Sempai Brad going through some of out techniques For those who are unsure about Wado Gumite here's a good example, they make it look easy Kihon Gumite and Ohyo Gumite

I love Okinawan Karate, it seems to encompass "real" techniques and it more akin to my style of Ashihara than mine is akin to Japanese styles of Karate. Okinawan Karate still practices full contact sparring too. Ueshiro-san when you studied Judo, did you ever study the Judo Kata and how do you feel they relate to Okinawan Karate kata, if we should open another thread on this that would be good to

Apologies for not responding sooner, forgive me. I'll respond next week when I got my computer, its awkward on a Blackberry lol.

Why did you take up Ninjitsu and not Karate or Kung Fu or Jujitsu or Hapkido?