bushido_man96

You have some good points, Salus. However, I do think that low line kicks can be trained with ease, and can serve a purpose. I do think that higher level kicks can be a bit risky, though, and tend to agree with you there. However, a good swift kick to the common peroneal nerve on the side of the leg can have great results, and this can be achieved from various positions (including the clinch). But, the point at hand being a kick to the body, I think that it would be tougher to pull off, and perhaps not worth the energy, or the risk.

Is it full, hard contact? Or are there contact limitations?

I may try to find the link to it a little bit later. I just don't remember much of a comparison being done. It could be just me, though.

So you are saying that repetitous technique practice is "chi" practice, and therefore, any style reaps the benefits of chi from it?

I don't believe that training in the U.S. is as watered down as many would have us believe. Look at MMA training, for one. Boxing would be another. I have been doing TKD training for now on 14 years, and have never trained at a school that cost $100 per month. I pay $60 per month now, and that includes both school and gym memberships. The reason that you don't see MA practices going on for free in the U.S. is because the U.S. is a different culture. If you look around and watch kids play, you may see them wrestling. As we grow older, we tend to reduce the amount of these things that we do, and replace them with other activities.

Hey, cool. Thanks for the response. I wonder how often the headbutt figures into the fights? I remember a vid being posted on the subject a while back, but I don't remember too much comparison study.

In reading a book on Muay Thai, I found a kind of interesting coinciding idea behind the punching techniques. In a section on pad work, the Thai fighters throw a jab, and then go into the cross motion. When describing the cross motion, the fighter uses the backward motion of the jab to help propel the cross forward, while pulling the left shoulder back, and snapping the hips counterclockwise. Now, I would say that we could find these types of motions in many Karate/TKD styles, in which the fist is pulled back to the hip/rib, only the fist is kept up to guard the face instead. You are still getting essentially the same body mechanics. The difference is that Muay Thai (and perhaps Boxing; I assume these are the same punches) are bypassing the pulling of the hand to the hip/rib, and keep it up to guard, developing the mechanics that way, instead.

I was wondering if anyone knew what the major differences between these two styles of fighting are. I know very little about Burmese boxing, but I recently saw a book on the subject that I may have to buy. It was written by a guy that wrote a book that I have on Muay Thai, and I was just curious as to what the similarities and differences really are.

7-23-07 Chest/triceps Jump rope for warm-up: 3x1:30. Did a few crossovers, but most of the time I had problems. Bench press: 205x8, 225x4, 225x4 Alternating one-arm dumbbell press: 50x8x3 Dip machine: 215x8, 215x6, 215x6 Abs Roman chair crunches: 3x20 Side raises: 2x20x30 lbs. Forearms Gripper machine: 3x15x20 lbs. Taught Orientation from 5:30 - 6:00. Traditional Class from 6:00 - 7:00. We went through basics at a bit faster pace today, and I felt drained, and like I couldn't get my technique right. We went on to forms and one-steps, like normal. After one-steps, we did some advanced forms, doing 3 of them, with small breaks between. Although I was feeling kind of lousy, I liked the extra work and review. Instead of sparring, we finished up doing a back-and-forth partner drill; I do one technique (kick), and then my partner did one, then me one, etc. After around 30 seconds, it was switched to two techniques back and forth, and then went to 3, and then back to one. Overall, it was a good, hard class. Afterwards, I had a good stretch, then did a set of 10 push-ups, followed by 5 clapping push-ups.

That's no joke, Ed! I think of things like that, too, and think, "Man, has it been that long?"

Best of luck to you!

Not my post. In fact, this is the first post I've had on this topic AAAAHH!!!! My bad, kudos to DokterVet! Sorry!

I am sure that there are some schools that do that. The school that I attend is not one of any of the organizations that you mention, but we do WTF style sparring. This site may interest you: https://www.raynerslanetkd.com

I am curious as to how you do your controlled testing. It seems to me that there are so many "fad" styles that come around every so many years that are used for some agency or governmental department usage. There really aren't that many fighting secrets out there. What it really boils down to is training methodologies. I don't see how it could be much different than other RBSD systems.

more reps? that's chi training don't you know.... I really don't think it is. I have never done any formal "chi" training, and I never really plan to (meditation, etc.).

This is a nice quote. Very well put.

It is like a bragging right, kind of. It shows that you do something different than anyone else, and these are the results of your unique training. I especially like to show off the ones I get when weapons fighting.

That is nuts. I am surprised that guys like that don't get cracked down on more. There is no way I could feel good about telling my own students to do that.

Agreed. Although I did think that the way they went around to different "styles," trying to hodge-podge techniques together, was kind of corny, they still did a good job.

I thought it went well, and I hope it does stick. Yeah, next weeks is in the Phillipenes. I think it will be great.

I am not surprised to hear this. It is why so few end up making it really big. I wonder if they could work on careers in MMA, though, after, say, 10 or 15 years of Thai training? Or do you think they are just too broken down?

I disagree with this and think it is a cop-out. I earned a black belt and trained in karate for over 8 years. At least 90% of our time was spent training techniques that are compeltely legal in the ring. Every once in a while someone would mention an eye-gauge or something, but most classes were punches, kicks, blocks, backfists, hammerfists, shutos, haitos, nukites, some takedowns, etc. Almost all of it is legal in MMA. Additionally, the illegal techniques that we did learn were not trained with full resistance, and full contact competition has shown that martial techniques not trained with full motion and resistence are almost never successfully applied against a real resisting opponent. Finally, consider this: if the reason for karate's lack of success in the ring is because some of its techniques are outlawed, then if a particular karateka decided to spend 100% of his training time training the ring-legal karate techniques (using karate's training methods) wouldn't he be just as good at fighting in the ring as an MMAist who trains 100% in MMA's ring-legal techniques? So why hasn't that happened? You make a good point, Bearich. I have another point to make: What about all of those Karate tournaments that took place in the 60s, 70s, and still today? If you can train your Karate for these tournaments, which have a bulk of MMA-ring legal moves, then why not take up some ground fighting, and make the transition?

Doing Martial Arts to try to lose weight is a great idea. There are many people who take up MA styles in order to try to improve their lifestyles. It is important to remember, though, that an overweight person might not be able to push and work at the same levels of the moderately fit, or the very fit. Working at a pace that gets the heart rate elevated for a period of around 20 minutes is good, but it is important not to get it too high; so high the body can't handle it.

You may want to alter your workout so that you aren't doing quite so much, that way you have time to do the other stuff. You don't want to end up overtraining.

What you could do is use a clapper target pad to work on your round kicks, instead of the makiwara. It won't toughen your feet, but I don't really think that toughening them is all that necessary. It will help with targeting, though.