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I am not really willing to buy into this. I think that Kihon, Kata, and Kumite have all been together for so long that they are always associated with each being equal part and parcel of what is Karate. The same can be said of TKD. However, just because it is done that way, doesn't mean that it can't be done a different way, and still be Karate, or TKD, or whatever. For example, throws used to be a part of Boxing. However, it has evolved over time, and the throws are gone, and the specialization is in striking with the hands, footwork, head movement/defense, etc. Its still Boxing, though. Is it less than what it once was? It could be argued that it is. This can be said for more styles than Boxing, though, too. Just my thoughts. You could argue that but... This is a good point, but it doesn't mean that training methods can't change. TKD is usually singled out from other styles for its emphasis on kicking high and a lot, as opposed to its use of forms in training. Also, think of this: there was a time when math was done without calculators. Calculators make the abacus obsolete. Slide rules don't get used much anymore. Does that mean we aren't still doing math? Nope. We just do it differently. For some reason, the only thing that isn't allowed to be able to change and evolve in its methods is the Martial Arts. Its like sacrilege. I think that there is still a different in the fighting methods and styles. Muay Thai is known more for its contact levels than TKD is, but that is limited to competition style for the most part. It doesn't mean that a TKDer can't fight like Muay Thai and vise versa. Iain Abernethy has done some research on the old Boxing and has referenced the throws in some of his books. As far as Ancient Greece goes, Hellenic Boxing did not allow throws, but Pankration did. There were three fight games in the ancient Olympics, Hellenic Boxing, Hellenic Wrestling (which didn't allow the striking), and the Pankration. However, it was not uncommon for one fighter to be able to compete in all three events...if he could survive them all.

This is a valid point, but it also harkens back to the times when a master took on perhaps one or two students. Pretty limited training there, but it did produce some great MAists.

Good summation, ps1. I've read similar history in one of Helio's BJJ books. Very interesting to see how each evolved.

The google search will help you get headed in the right direction. At least you have addresses and names of places to check out. So starts the process of elimination. Many organizations, like the ATA or Shotokan orgs, will likely have point sparring available to you, but other schools are likely to offer it, too.

Very much so!

OK folks, its that time again...time to revive this ageless thread and talk FOOTBALL!!! How's your team look so far? Mine, not so good yet. No wins in preseason, which is irksome. Cassel looked better in the second preseason game, and Charles was great. But, what will the O line be like? Are you ready for some football!!!! :D:D

Ah, good stuff, Joe!

Range time = good time. We just got our Gen 4 Glocks in, and will be qualifying with them soon. Can't wait.

I'm confused about the "increasing combo" part. What do you mean by that?

I am not really willing to buy into this. I think that Kihon, Kata, and Kumite have all been together for so long that they are always associated with each being equal part and parcel of what is Karate. The same can be said of TKD. However, just because it is done that way, doesn't mean that it can't be done a different way, and still be Karate, or TKD, or whatever. For example, throws used to be a part of Boxing. However, it has evolved over time, and the throws are gone, and the specialization is in striking with the hands, footwork, head movement/defense, etc. Its still Boxing, though. Is it less than what it once was? It could be argued that it is. This can be said for more styles than Boxing, though, too. Just my thoughts.

I've practiced them on the bags, but not used them in sparring. When I started Combat Hapkido, the emphasis on kicks was that they be low-line kicks, which is great. In Combat Hapkido, almost all the kicks I do are below the waist, and my favorite is the round kick to the thigh. And I love using the shin.

This is a nice thread. I will have to dig in here...

If you don't have much experience already, learning on line will be really tough. I won't say it can't be done, because anything is possible, even though many Martial Artists have a hard time accepting the idea of using our current technology to learn ancient fighting styles. The main problem that will come of learning this way is the lack of feedback from a qualified instructor. This can lead to bad habits being reinforced early and often, which is never a good thing. Its also hard to tell if you are doing something wrong if you aren't sure how to do it right in the first place. With that all said, I won't say it isn't possible. But, I do think it would be the longer road to hoe.

With my very, very, VERY limited knowledge of any grappling, I can really appreciate this statement. In fact, it kind of helps simplify things, at least in theory, when it comes to grappling. I am not good at it, and I do realize that grappling is the single biggest hole I have in my MA knowledge. This helps to kind of put being in guard into perspective for me, and if I think of it this way when I train, maybe it will help in the long run. Thanks, guys.

Very good! I do some 2 on one with my police officers. Seems prisoners and gangs are teaching each other one go high, one go low, take the officer down, take their weapon and use it on the them. Seems to me the most practical tools are some really good foot work, boxing with some elbows, a little Greco and great leg defense. Keeping the two in line making one useless to the other. Not necessarily in that order. Agreed! It's funny how something that works tends to show up in several martial arts. This is the way we trained it in TKD, Shotokan, Aiki Jujitsu, BJJ and Chuan Fa. Good footwork and try to stack the opponents. Not to mention trying to get the heck out of the situation as quickly as possible. Yep, if the tactics are good and sound, they tend to show up across the board. The truth tends to reveal itself.

Here's a list to start from: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=Martial+Arts+schools+in+Vancouver,+BC&fb=1&gl=us&hq=Martial+Arts+schools&hnear=Vancouver,+BC,+Canada&view=text&ei=i79wTO3TMYH_nAfqndz0Bw&sa=X&oi=local_group&ct=more-results&resnum=1&ved=0CCwQtQMwAA I just googled it, in case you need the list again.

You can be a good talker but a bad singer I'm not even sure I'm what you would call a "good" talker. I can cuss like a sailor, though....does that count for something?

I'd say that's accurate, Brian, and I'm going to make sure I see The Hobbit when Ian McKellan revives his role as Gandalf the Grey. It's expected to be out in 2012. But back to analogies . . . I hope to see it, too. I wonder if they'll backtrack and try to do The Simarillion as well? Anyways, back on topic, again...

So . . . - Would you say, RW, that if we extend what you've said about a conversation (real fighting) going wrong, it's like having an argument? - While kumite, which has rules, is like formal debate, which also has rules? - And kata is as a song whose words are carefully chosen, expected to be pondered, and meant to convey a message?I like the analogy; you obviously gave it a lot of thought. I just wanted to go with the flow of it. Yup! I came up with the analogy because I was singing a song in a different language that I don't speak, whiel following the lyrics (and translation) in youtube. I realized I could actually sing the song now without looking at the lyris, and I even knew the words and meaning of the song... but that doesn't mean I can speak the language And with that thought in mind, I think of the threads in the past on the "importance" of the language used in MA classes...English, Japanese, Korean...etc...

Its semantics. In actuality, I think the term edge-of-the-hand strike would best describe it, because it just says what part of the hand you are striking with. The action one uses when striking, like to the neck, is not like that of a sword or knife, because when you use either, you must have a drawing motion of the blade in order to produce the cut. There is no drawing motion in these strikes. More accurate describing the motion would be that of the chop of an axe. Just my thoughts.

I'm sorry to hear you failed, but I do like your positive attitude towards the situation. Keep that up, and you'll make it eventually.

I'd seen bits on that before. The only problem with the way they train is that their main focus is on entertainment, and little of what they do actually translates into what my limited study would show to be practical sword applications. But I agree with him...it would be a fun job to do.

8-19-10 Finished up push day from yesterday, doing triceps. Jogged mile in 12:10, then stretched.

Cool. Thanks for elaborating.

Wouldn't the Simarillion actually be the prequel to The Hobbit, which is the prequel to The Lord of the Rings? Sorry, maybe I'm splitting hairs...and going off topic...