bushido_man96

I think you are really going in the right direction here, and its sad that it is the case. I've really only been told that its a position that is used to build the power into the blocks or strikes. Now, with different research I've done, I feel good knowing that I can at least put some meaning behind the design here. Even if it is reverse engineered, its still a workable idea. This has been discussed at length, to be sure. My goal, since I am in a style that utilizes forms in its system, is to have a way of taking meaning from them, and being able to explain in a reasonable manner why something is the way it is. I won't be able to change what I am doing for some time, so I'm just trying to get the most out of it I can.

Yes, it does. I've never wrapped my hands before, but when I start to work my heavy bag again, I may consider it. The gloves that came with it are MMA gloves, but if I wrap up, it should be enough support. I also liked the instruction given for the left hook in this book. A pretty straight forward explanation on a complex punch.

In TKD and Karate, we see that many of the blocking and striking motions are chambered by crossing the arms in front of the body. In my current TKD style, we do a crossing of the arms like an X, with blocks typically crossing the blocking hand on the outside and strikes crossing the striking hand on the inside. In the ATA, we did more of an arms parallel, "hugging yourself" motion to really build tension into the snap of the technique, with blocks being chambered on bottom, and strikes on top. But why? For power? Sure, that helps put snap into the techniques. But is there another reason that it developed that way? Guys like Abernethy have used this crossing motion as a cover to defend a strike, and then move into seizing actions. Whether that was the original intent or not, who really can tell. But, he makes it work. I've been reading in Remy Presas' book, Modern Arnis, and on pp 64-65, he demonstrates an inside defense against a right punch, in which it begins with a brush block with the right hand, then a checking or grabbing motion with the left hand of the attacker's wrist. At this point, I can see how the two arms are actually in that "crossed" or "stacked arms chamber" position that we use so much in our TKD basics and forms. The technique finishes by striking to the face with a backhand while pulling grabbing arm back, like maybe to the ribs... Pages 66-67 show this defense in close-up, where you can really kind of see this idea in play. So, that all said, I'm not claiming the reason why we as TKD stylists chamber our arms the way we do is because the application is a brushing strike/checking and grabbing motion to set up a strike, but, if you're looking for something to justify that chambering motion, this is an idea to play with. You even get that "hikete" (is that right?) non-striking hand back to ribs motion justified in there, too. Maybe I'm late to the game on this one, but seeing some still photos in the right places just kind of turned on a light bulb. I'd love to hear other MAists thoughts on this, as well.

Boxer's Start-Up: A Beginner's Guide to Boxing by Doug Werner. I picked this book up, along with a few others, in a used book store. This book went to print in 1998, but I still think its a good read if you are interested in Boxing. The author writes with a pretty loose, conversational tone that makes it fun to read, and there are plenty of illustrations to boot. It covers equipment needs for the beginner, stance and basic footwork, basic punches and basic combinations. It also covers bag work and focus mitt work briefly, and defense and counters. Its pretty straight forward, and not too complicated. It is a Start-Up. What I really like about the book is that the author kept a journal of his training, and he includes enough of his journal at the end of the book to give an idea of how his training came along over the course of 6 months. I paid under $4 to get it used. Not a bad deal, at least not to me.

You say its nothing immoral. So, if its not that, is it something politically related to the main body of the style? Has he slighted some high rank? If that's the case, I don't know that I would let that affect my decision to stay. I may be jumping to conclusions here, but since you are being rather vague, I really don't have any other option but to try to plug holes.

Sounds to me like you are doing ok. And kudos to you guys who can run 5 miles it at time. I do 10 minutes on the treadmill, and my knees then ache for a week.

Well, I think you did the right thing in seeking out both parties. If the other guy had too much ego for you, oh well. Such is life.

What I loved about doing Aikido was that it was my chance to be a student again. It was actually refreshing going to a class where I wasn't a senior student or instructor, and was always the one being depended upon to help others out. I love being able to do that in TKD, don't get me wrong. But its also nice to be able to go into a different format and be the newbie again. My time in Aikido, Hapkido, and Defensive Tactics training has really helped me to see different things in my TKD classes, especially in forms and ways to adapt one-step training. I think Judo will treat you well. Have fun with it!

Here, we look a little bit into Se Jong tul of the ITF styles. Here is an ITF version: There doesn't seem to be quite as much, or quite as exaggerated, I'd say, sine way to his form. But you still see the individualization of technique, for the most part. But, I don't think that is bad for this form, as it is a lot of one technique one way, then turn and do another technique in another direction, with really only one spot where you get a good chance to really combo some techniques, on the back end of the form. Here is the version I do, and you'll see pretty directly where it goes awry in comparison with the ITF styles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCNaSl1b0fU&feature=autoplay&list=PLon1GNgZPzV52Ef_tAanXfcPXyraURw2I&index=2&playnext=1 From move 7 into move 8, move 8 goes back towards the start, a 180 degree turn, as opposed as the move to the right at a 90 degree angle in the other forms. But then, move 9, we do double guarding blocks in a middle/sitting/horse stance back toward the initial direction that was the front, then we get back on track with the spear hand thrust. Why, you ask? No idea. None at all. Also a bit different is what I call the "shove down" move, where we really dip low into a squat to "push" someone to the ground, then come back up into the slow, two-handed push. From there, our double high/low block is a bit different, the high being an inner forearm block, and in closer to the body. Also, instead of double slow palm pressing blocks, like in Joong Gun, we do a single, right handed palm block, slow. That's our TTA version. What's yours? (and no making fun of my bottom!)

TKD Kickboxer Hassan Kassrioui youtube highlight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaDM2c-KssY&list=PLon1GNgZPzV4y3jAy9Z95lJaW1rz8vn3T&index=9&feature=plpp_video He has what appears to me to be a very long spinning hook kick. He seems to really load the leg, in kind of a straight legged manner, almost like the start of a spin heel kick, and then hooks it at contact. It seems like such a long kick, but he lands it. You can also see how he used it to set up the spin side kicks he throws in. Fun to watch.

I loved the way you "harmonized."

I think him and his coach are probably equally at fault. The coach should probably have seen it coming, and he himself should have been able to feel where it was, and that it was going to go. But, in training, accidents do happen.

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Eh, that is rough. I'm sorry the outcome of the game you got to see couldn't have been better. It was close, though.

I'm with you on this one. If it is as you say, nothing illegal, that covers most everything that I would consider leaving over. an instructor is only human. However, if it is something very much against your values and you just can't get past it, then you need to make a choice. If you're just concerned with public opinion over an embarrassment, these things all eventually blow over. Someone will wear a dumb dress to the Oscars and everyone will be talking about that instead. I agree with both posters here as well. Without any further information, its really hard for us to gauge what you have going on. Take all these things into consideration, and then make your choice. Hopefully things work out well for you in the end.

11/15/2012 Cardio Treadmill: 2 min walk warmup, 20 min jog, .84 miles total distance. Rowing: 5 minutes. Stretch. Forms Se Jong x5 Bag Work X-stepping around BOB, no techniques for a few minutes: x2 1st part of X to shuffle side kick: 10 each side, x2 1st part of X to shuffle hook kick: 10 each side, x2 1st part of X to reverse side kick: 10 each side, x2 Stretch Cardio was a killer today. I just didn't feel like I had any energy.

One could argue that this approach teaches a bad habit of pulling punches, which could also get your face wrecked on the street. Its a toss up between pulling techniques and not pulling techniques and limiting targets for safety reasons. We could argue the drawbacks of either. I will say this, though...there are a bunch of Kyokushin fighters who have gone on to do very well in Kickboxing events like K1, where head punching is legal.

Yes, ours is more of a scooping motion. I guess coming up under an attack to defend. Then it can be twisted and/or raised up, and the twist kick could follow up. Why we do it slow, I couldn't tell you. I'm honestly not sure why so many of the things we do are different, because it is never shared with us. I understand how sine wave is helpful on this technique, and on the circular blocks done in forms like Yoo Sin and Won Hyo. I do notice this difference a lot when I watch videos. That, and the pacing of the forms in the ITF styles. I can only assume as to why we have these changes, and I think it is because our instructor perhaps wanted the ITF forms to flow more like the WTF or Pal Gwe forms did, and he likes power and combination techniques. What I've really noticed is that the removal of some of these extra stepping motions causes our forms to rarely end where they started. But that isn't a big bother to me, really. I'd love to see your version. I'm also going to do a thread on Se Jong, because ours is waaaay messed up...

I'd say go ahead and practice on your own. If you end up fouling something up, then watch some videos or get to a class, figure out what went wrong, and then fix it. It really isn't that big of a deal.

Head kicks are attacks to the head. I'd say if someone is wanting to learn to defend against "head attacks," i.e., punching to the head, Boxing, Thai Boxing, or MMA would probably cover it the best.

I had a student in his late '60s early '70s, who got up to yellow belt in TKD. But, he was a professional Boxer in the '40s and '50s, if I remember right. He was working his way up to fight Sugar Ray Robinson, but he had to go home and give it up. I've still not met anyone who could punch like him.

Welcome to KarateForums, and welcome back to training!

11/13/2012 Night shoot at the range, pistol, rifle, shotgun. Shot really well with the pistol, and acceptably with the rifle and shotgun.

A 6 board punch! That's quite a challenge there! Brave to even try!

My training is sporadic at best right now. I've been doing treadmill/rowing machine cardio for about 16 minutes, then I stretch and work forms from my TTA and ATA styles, then get in another stretch. I've been getting this done about 3 days per week right now. Ideally, I'll be getting back into Combat Hapkido and Defensive Tactics soon, and will be back to teaching TKD classes in December.