bushido_man96

I see where you are coming from. But there can be old traditions, and new traditions. All these old traditions you study up on had to start somewhere. They were once new. Likewise, new traditions just need a few people to pick up on them and make them consistent for them to become so. Or, old traditions can be brought back and reborn, re-established. Like I said, it is unfortunate that the line was broken, but we just have to work around that.

I never did see this footage. I don't think I need to. Its unacceptable behavior, and no one should be treated that way by a coach, who is put in a position of trust.

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I'm not trying to equate them. They are what they are. But just because they are now being rediscovered doesn't mean that they aren't an old fighting tradition. As for what happens between the pictures, you are correct there. That's why the study groups work forwards and backwards to ascertain what is being demonstrated in the pictures and through the text. Not a best case scenario, but its what they have to work with, and they have done a good job, and I think they are pretty close to doing what those fighters did back then.

Sounds like fun training!

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I'd just assume start a match off angry at the other person. Then I won't care if they get hit.

No, I didn't say that. But, in any use of force situation, things have to be evaluated in their totality. For instance, the size of the attacker, are they armed, what is the nature of the threat, etc. All these things come into consideration.

Exactly, Bob. So many view a failure as the either such an insult to themselves or a bruise on their ego that it can't be overcome. But that is what it is for, to be overcome. Its simply another training obstacle.

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Once a transmition is broken it's never going to be the same again. An important factor in training Koryu is the bonding you get with your instructor and fellow students. It's a physical/organic thing as much as anything else. My instructor guides me by correcting me with his hands in the same way his instructor used his hands to corrected him and so on... Never going to be the same if something is broken and rediscovered 200 years later. K. As for that time split, no, it won't be retrieved. Nothing to be done about that. But what is important is if the training is solid, effective. The study of the manuscripts shows that those doing it are doing what they did back then, and they are constantly researching and practicing the techniques, refining more and more. We won't get the gap in time back, but the traditions are alive and well.

I didn't say it doesn't prepare you for combat. I said it isn't combat training. Due to lack of a partner? Sorry if I'm sounding short. I'm afraid I have little patience the topic. Probably should have stayed out of it. Not because it doesn't have a partner. Rather because it is formal defense against formal attacks. The movements are chosen for their teaching value, not their effectiveness on the street. It's not meant to be scenario training. In the Shotokan syllabus scenario training is called "self defense", in English anyways, and is treated as something other than kihon, kata and kumite. Ok, I see the point you are trying to make. However, I don't think the formal defense/attack pattern is the only there to be worked on. If you can dig more and find something else, then great. Maybe its stretching, and maybe it isn't, but it is facilitating the thought process, which is always a good thing.

true. some people are interested in the history of it, i guess it can be related sort of those who do battle reenactments Good comparison.

Very nice. Very quick. I enjoyed watching that.

Perhaps it may add value, but it will be more of an intrinsic value to those seeking out that kind of thing. But not necessarily a value that can be realized outside of the fact that it is 400 years old. There are those who are very much into that kind of history, and that's ok.

As a LEO, and in your opinion...Are women capable of violence on a man? If so, then in defending myself, I've no problem of doing it without any reservation. Sure they are. Self-defense is not gender-specific. However, that's where use of force comes into play, and observing the totality of the circumstances at hand.

Most western sword traditions practiced today have been “re-established” in modern times by enthusiasts working, in the most part, from historical documents. The Koryu of ancient Japan however (or the ones that are still extant anyway) represent a constant unbroken transmition from living teacher to student - hands on as it were - for 400 - 600 years. There are very few societies on the face of the globe that could boast such a “direct source” in terms of history than that. This is why they became a major center of study for hoplologists like Draeger and Armstrong. K. Yeah, and I think that's all good, too. Unfortunately, the tradition of Western swordsmanship needed to be "rediscovered," but the good thing is that it has caused many to look into what it was really like, and not what the movies would have us believe. We can't get that unbroken line back. But that's ok, because we do have the manuscripts, and we can link ourselves to the past with them.

Its a good hypothetical, too.In my experience, I think its important for the high ranks to be there to teach and help the lower ranks learn. Sparring is an important area to increase learning in, and a high rank/dan rank should be able to teach a lot to a colored belt about sparring. The lower rank should use tact when asking for this, but most of us can tell if its a request to learn or a challenge. High ranks should help low ranks.

The Encyclopedia of Taekwon-do Patterns, volumes 1-3, by Stuart Anslow. Anslow has taken all 25 of the ITF forms created by General Choi, including both Ko Dang and Juche, and also taken in the GTF patterns Jee-Sang, Dhan-Goon, Pyong-Hwa, and Sun-Duk, as well as a weapons form called the Silla Knife Pattern, and layed out each of these forms in these three volumes. The forms are pretty well layed out, with the patterns viewed as they would be by a test examiner, with pictures of the reverse view clarifying those that are looking away from the reader. There are also directional arrows showing the directions of the movements, and stance diagrams below the pictures to show movement. At the bottom of each page, there are pictures that help to relate what is going on between movements. He also includes notes on ITF points of the forms, or GTF points of the forms, to help assist those associated with those organizations. Each book opens with sections regarding a brief history of the Ch'ang On patterns, TKD, highlighting TKD pioneers who were involved in helping Gen. Choi formulate the original patterns of TKD, and why some do Juche, and some do Ko Dang. Next is a section that relates how different organizations may approach different aspects of techniques when chambering for blocks or strikes, and the different movement methods used, like knee spring, sine wave, natural motion, etc. In the appendices of the books, there are studies on the use of sine-wave, and differing motions found in the ITF, like continuous motion, fast motion, etc, and also some charts on kihap points for different organizations. One of the appendices, only in book one, is "A True and More Complete History of Taekwon-do," written by George Vitale, which was just a joy to read. Also, the information involving the pioneering masters of TKD was great information, and how different masters worked on and helped Choi with different forms was good reading. I really thought these volumes were pretty well put together. There were a few hiccups in the pictures and text, but not enough to get really worked up over. I liked the pictures used and the format, and it was pretty easy to keep up with where the forms were going as I read along. I think if I was to try to work my way through a new form using these books, I could probably manage it pretty well. The GTF forms were fun to read about, as it was the first time I had heard of them. Overall, I say it is a good set of books, nicely laid out, and really without any kind of organizational bias, although the ITF templates are used in laying out the patterns. I would recommend them as a TKD reference.

This is great advise. Very well put, tallgeese.

Nope, we are TKD.

I'd guess to substantiate your school as a "koryu." Why is that so important? I don't know if it is so important to everyone. Not every school can be or have a lineage that is 400 years old. My school isn't, but its not a big deal to me, as I'm sure its not a concern of yours, either, Bob.I think there are some who study Western Swordsmanship that could possibly fall under a similar title, like those of the Liechtenauer tradition.

I didn't say it doesn't prepare you for combat. I said it isn't combat training. Due to lack of a partner?

Good job!

4/29/2013 Our organization's tournament is coming up, and most of the students in the class are going to compete, so when doing forms, I tried to focus a few things for them, some hints to tweak things a bit. Orange belts, I mainly hit on the importance of their stances, stretching out the front stance, pointing the front foot in the back stances, and keeping a good center of balance on the turns (Dan Gun and Bo Chung hyungs). Lo green belt, focusing on stretching the front stance out just a bit more, keeping the back leg straight, and on a bit of timing issues going into the wedge blocks (Do San hyung). Lo blue belt, helped shake out some timing and power issues in a section of the form doing back leg side kick, land into front stance and reverse elbow strike into palm, then turn to one-leg stance with hands in double forearm block position, then side kick and into reverse elbow strike to palm. To me, its the make or break section of the form (Yul Gok hyung). Hi blue belt kids, mainly discussed with them the importance of focus on techniques and in the mind, and discipline when standing at attention and being ready. There is a section of the form where stances go from back to front, with back leg side kicks and palm pressing blocks, and made sure they understand the shifting in the stances (Joong Gun hyung). The brown belts did pretty good. I had the hi brown belt work on pacing the form, fast techniques with just enough pause between to separate them. Also, with the flying side kick, focusing on jumping more up and less forward on the kick, which helps the landing (Choong Moo hyung). Lo brown, some help with the mountain blocks (W blocks) and driving the back foot forward on the front stances (Toi Gye hyung). 1st dans, broke down the section of form doing consecutive side kicks to the left (low then high), controlling and landing into a back stance and doing a reverse knife hand strike, then into a circular downward hammer strike, then do the same on the other side (Kwang Gae hyung). After all that, we did a bit of sparring.