bushido_man96

You make some very good points here. But I think that the difference is in fact in what situation arises. You won't necessarily punch the same in competition as you do in combat. Therefore, it is not the same punch. I do believe at some point you can train all three, depending on the mindset that you have at the time, and what you are focusing on. that's not true, but I'm glad you mentioned it. From a sport perspective, nothing changes. My right cross in the ring is the same as it is on the street. My hidaka jime in the street is the same as in shiai. A sport style does not have to alter anything. I think this is part of the reason why a sport style can produce an effective fighter faster than most traditional styles. from a traditional perspective, you learn eye gouges, groin strikes, pressure points, clawing, ripping, small joint manipulation, weapons, etc. There is no competition venue that let's you use all of these things, and even within the confines of your own school, you really can't practice all of these things at full speed and power. Consequently, you DO have to change some traditional techniques if you want to spar or compete with them. This can cause confusion in the street. Looking back in the day, look at the tournaments where kano and his judoka competed against jujutsu guys. The judoka owned them. Why? because they were able to randori full speed and power with their techniques. The jujutsu guys were for the most part unable to do this due to the nature of their techniques. Good point, elbows_and_knees. However, don't you feel that the intent with which you punch is different on the street than in the ring? What I mean is this: When you are sport fighting, you have a different mindset, or maybe feeling, about things than you do when you get into a self-defense situation. Maybe I am overthinking this, but do you understand where I am coming from? I do agree with the point that you make about the inability to practice eye gouges, clawing, etc. at full speed. This is somewhat detrimental, when you compare it with the ability to spar with various rule sets at higher speeds.

If this was true, then I would not hear so many negative things about sport TKD.

You make some very good points here. But I think that the difference is in fact in what situation arises. You won't necessarily punch the same in competition as you do in combat. Therefore, it is not the same punch. I do believe at some point you can train all three, depending on the mindset that you have at the time, and what you are focusing on.

It makes sense, but it's counterproductive to what you are trying to do with the weightlifting. When you lift, you stress the muscles, and create microtears in the fibers. The repair and growth from this repair is what causes muscle hypertrophy (growth). Now, instead of letting your body start to recover/repair, you're stressing it even further. It's best to split cardio and weights if at all possible. Aodhan I am trying to start doing my workouts 4 days a week (lifting), and finish each session with about 15 minutes on the elliptical. Is this a bad idea as well?

Now, would the TSD that goes around today be more like the ITF or "traditional" styles of TKD that are out there, and less like the WTF style of TKD? I have a book on TSD, and it seems more like a traditional type of TKD, kind of like what I do.

Maybe I am reading your "one punch" application incorrectly, but I feel that it is very important to apply combinations of at least 2 or 3 moves in self defense in order to be sure that the opponent is down and stays down. I do agree that one should train the technique of each part of the combination as though it would drop them, but not be convinced that it will.

Thanks, younwhadoug.

I'm assuming he's talking about the more advanced kicks such as the 540, 720, side semi, etc. Most of the "traditional" aero kicks such as the butterfly are taught in the regular classes for advanced colored belts. Aodhan What is the side semi?

Do mirror footwork. Make two lines, like you are going to have them spar, but you have them step back with the same leg, so they are in a closed stance. You make one side the "leader." Now, they start bouncing in place, and the when the leader switches his stance, the other copies. If the leader takes a step forward, the follower takes a step back, and they both end up closed again. Get them really moving, and it is a lot of fun. This is great for beginners and advanced students. For beginner students, have them all face you, say right leg back, and you step right leg back. Now, you be the leader, and they all follow you. Switch you feet, do double switches, shuffle step forward or back, do a single step forward or back, sidesteps, etc. You can really get them moving, and it makes the calf muscles feel great!

The footwork seems very complex to me. I have had trouble with my Hapkido lessons, trying to get the proper footwork down. I get so wrapped up in what my hands are supposed to be doing, that I neglect my feet.

I'll have to admit, it was making me hungry. You all will have to cook me at least 2 hamburgers, a steak, and some brauts to fill me up!! I hope that the workout is done before the meal

So, it is most likely that TSD was one of the 5 or 6 orginal kwans out of Korea, correct?

Anyone around here ever done a stick and knife fighting combination? It sounds like it would be very cool. Knife fighters are so fast, I would love to learn some.

My suggestion...if they aren't wooden, don't use 'em.

Wash on cold/cold or warm/cold, using normal detergent. I don't get mine too bloody, so I don't bleach it. If it is all white, that would be ok. I have seen patches come back bleached, though. Then I just tumble dry it. I don't like how it feels with softener, so I try to avoid it.

If you don't have a spot to hang one, go with a wavemaster standing bag. I like mine. You can kick it, or kick over it, which is kind of nice. Doubles as a stretching bar, too.

My first weapon was the escrima stick...though I did not get much formal training with it.

I have heard Moo duk kwan mentioned both in regards to TKD and TSD. Is it roughly the same? If so, it would create even more of a link between TKD and TSD, and the foundations in Shotokan.

WOW Looked like he was out cold when he started to twirl them 'chucks!!! Feel bad for him, but how funny!

Sohan, Aodhan, Menjo, elbows_and_knees, and cross.

Hey, Sohan. Been doing the slow rep kicks, and been feeling them. Not doing sets of 10 yet, but I'll get there. The side kicks are not quite so bad, but the front kicks HURT!! They will take a while to build up. Only getting a few at a time on those. By the way, do you set down between kicks, or keep the chamber up? Been doing a little of both, to help with my balance. I have not forgotten your ideas, Aodhan. I am going to do some footwork and bag work tomorrow. Thanks a million, guys!

Chart your caloric intake. Then start cutting your inputs, and increasing your outputs. Someone once told me, 1800 calories a day, and exercise. If you are not doing any cardio work, start doing 30 minutes everyday. By the way, you are not alone. I am currently 5'7", and weigh 245 . I work out more than I used to, but don't lose any more. I keep at it, though.

Practice, practice, practice. I know about 22 different forms, and it just comes with practice. And once you learn them, and go to the next rank, keep practicing them. One of the biggest problems we have in our school is getting the kids to keep reviewing all of their old material that way when they test for black, they don't have to spend a lot of time cramming to remember old stuff.

I have a brother who lives in MO, near St. Clair. It is actually chunk5422 on this forum! Is that close to where the games will be held?

I have always enjoyed the action in his movies. From what I understand, he is very highly respected in Japan, for his aikido, and as a sword master as well. He is very skilled, and quick for a large man. I think he is 6' 6", or something like that. His footwork is incredible.