Bama Crimson

Thanks both of you. I will go have it looked at.

Back in July I was training in BJJ. My friend went a little too far when demonstrating an ankle lock on me. I yelled and he let go. It hurt but I got up and walked it off, and it felt better. Then I go to do a triangle choke on him, and I pull on the ankle. It began to hurt so bad I immediately let go (and I have a decently high pain tolerance, but I am not going to pretend to be tough man).

The pain stayed in my ankle and calf for 2 months. I tried to start training again last Thursday, and I pulled on the ankle again. It still hurts, especially when pulling the ankle down. The thing is I have been playing hockey on it for months without pain. Its only when I pull on the ankle in BJJ that it hurts.

Does anyone have any advice. I have thought about seeing a doctor but maybe someone has encountered something like this before and has some insight.

Thanks

Karate, like any martial art, teaches effective techniques for delivering powerful punches and kicks...I would assume most "street" fights involve individual who do not know each other...so any martial art trained person will have the element of surprise...especially if the attacker is larger and figures the victim to be an easy roll. Of course, how you react and if you can strike with deadly purpose is another thing. To say you are trained to gouge eyes does not mean you will. Courage cannot be taught....acting to save your life or a loved ones may be the trigger. Personally, I doubt most MMA could last very long in the ring with a real good professional boxer....wearing small mitts....I would think that a prime Holyfield or Tyson would end the match quickly. I could be wrong....I am not a devote of MMA...but that is my impression.

But if the MMA fighter could defend sufficiently against the boxer, the boxer would lose. The boxer only has his boxing skills to rely on. The MMA fighter has boxing, kicking, plus take downs and submissions in their arsenal. If the fight did not end quickly or went to the ground, even in their prime, Tyson or Holyfield would be finished. An armbar will end a fight.

I think that people are blinded by thinking that UFC , Pride and so on is the prime peak of "usefull" martial arts. If they are so usefull why are there any rules at all ? Are there rules on the street ? Do you score points there ? I dont think so.

The UFC, Pride , K1 ... showings have undoubtetly made sports like muay thai, kick boxing , vale tudo and so on more popular. Usually a karate practiotioner or a boxer looses and then " boooo karate sux ".

But still they continue to bann certain styles due to the "safety issues involved " like for example i couldnt participate in any of theese events ( I would never even think of participating but still ) because i am a memeber of DKI ( dillman karate international ) which usage is banned from literally every such an event. Its 99% dedicated to real life situations and use. Let them put a master at ryukyu kempo karate in the ring with the yxyyyxy champion of the styles that are the "strongest" . I would love to see that fight

I agree wholeheartedly. I am a fan of UFC. I really haven't watched too much Pride or K1. But UFC/MMA has a purpose. It is to train people to fight in the ring, for several rounds or to achieve a submission.

It is a sport. UFC has evolved into something that was not originally. It was meant originally to put the fighters in as close to a real life fighting situation as possible and let them fight it out. But it has evolved into a sport with rules, weight classes, regulations placed on it by athletic commissions, etc...

Now, I would not mess with Chuck Lidell, Matt Hughes, Tito Ortiz, Randy Coture(sp?) or any physically fit, well trained MMA fighter. They would near kill me....badly.

UFC/MMA is not the be an and end all of martial arts. I also get perturbed by the overall lack of class I see. TMA's like Karate have done well in teaching respect for opponents and how to win with class. There are classy guys in MMA, like Chuck and Randy, but there are also those who give them a bad name (ie Ortiz, Bob Sapp, Tank Abbott etc...) and those people are far more common in MMA than Traditional arts.

Don't interpret this as a trash MMA rant. I am a fan. I enjoy the sport. But I also can appreciate the sports place in the greater scheme of the martial arts world. MMA has rekindled my interest in the martial arts, and led to my beginning to train in BJJ. I am indebted to the sport for that.

Wrestlers tend to become "ground and pound" fighters in MMA, because of the lack of finishing moves.

What happens when someone takes a ground fighting MA because they saw it on UFC and they get in a situation where there are 2 attackers? So they suceed in getting one attacker to the ground but there are no rules saying that the other one is going to fight fair so now that person is tied up on the ground..... the other attacker is free to kick and punch as the please, I mean they could even take their time and choose their targets. In a real life situation I would prefer to be upright fighting for my life then on the ground. That is just a personal preference.

Whether its one or two attackers, the first thing you should try to do if attacked it get away. This is true especially if its more than one attacker. In any situation you should choose the option of flight over fight. If you must fight, fight until the opportunity presents itself to get away.

I don't know where Johnson City is in relation to Monroe County, but there's an instructor in Shorinkan Shorin Ryu there by the name of Gordon Shell. He also runs the Murasaki Kobudo weapons company (high-quality weapons shop started by Kyoshi Doug Perry). Shorin Ryu emphasizes close-range fighting.

Johnson City is Northeast Tennessee. It is very close to the Virginia border, close to Kingsport and Bristol. Those three cities are known as the tri-cities area and Bristol actually is in both Va and Tn.

Monroe County is southeast Tennessee, very close to me. I am in Bradley county. Monroe is the blackened spot on this map

http://www.monroegovernment.org/general_information.html

I would suggest looking for a school in Athens, Tennessee. There may be a couple and I expect that if you live in Monroe county, you will be very close to Athens.

In Athens and Cleveland, the Town where I live, there are Isshin Ryu schools. I don't know if that helps or not.

Jesus said "A man that can't defend his family is an infidel." (Something close to that, it may not be exact.)

Jesus may have said this (but I doubt it) but it is not scripture, not even pseudopegrapha nor in the gosple of Thomas.

It sounds like a Muslim saying...Christians don't use the term infidel.

1Timothy 5:8 (King James Version)

King James Version (KJV)

8But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

That is one translation. I will look at the Greek and see if the word "infidel" is the best translation. Many of the words in the KJV meant something different than the modern meanings when that translation was first written.

I know I am a Johnny Come Lately to this discussion. But I am studying to be a minister. I also have begun training in BJJ and am contemplating taking up a striking art.

I would say that there is nothing wrong with a Christian training in MA, (since I do it myself). But MAs do not interest everyone and are not for everyone. If for some person they see it as too violent or what not, they should not participate. But certain MAs are sport oriented anyway, and Christians do participate in sports.

Living in the Bible belt, Christian based (owned and operated, which incorporate Christian teaching with MA) Karate/TKD dojos and even BJJ dojos are not uncommon.

I have a few

I am a quasi-history buff. I study American and Civil War history.

I also like music and watch sports on TV. I love football (American), college and pro, but like college better than pro and I am an avid Alabama Crimson Tide fan in college ball. Roll Tide. I really enjoy tailgating. That's a blast. I play hockey as well.

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Why train in martial arts? Because its fun. I enjoy BJJ alot. It is somewhat practical and very good in a fight, but I don't care about becoming a great fighter.

BJJ has been giving me a good work out too, so the fitness is an added bonus.

Do you mean ankle supports as the equivalent of wrist wraps used to support the wrists in boxing?

To train in BJJ my friend and I are using gym mats to grapple on. However, since I have begun my training I have had a peculiar vulnerability to getting carpet or rug burns, especially around the knees and ankles. These burns are so annoying. They don't hurt badly, but are really annoying.

I suspect my ankles are caused by my feet going off the mats onto the carpet when grappling. But what about my knees (we are grappling from our knees until we learn take downs).

Any suggestions on how to deal with this annoying hindrance to training?

Depends on training methods. I am more convinced that the reason boxing and MT have done so well as opposed to Karate in MMA is because of training methods more than technique.

It all depends on how hard the training was, but would say 10 vs 1 year is no real match. 10 years wins for sure, especially if the conditioning is at the same approximate level.

If you want to succeed in MMA, submission wrestling, real fights, etc. then go with no-gi.

Most of the top grapplers in MMA have a base in Gi training....

The guys I train with, at least a couple of them, are aspiring MMA people. Not me. I am just interested in Martial arts for their own sake. I have no real desire to compete in MMA even on an amature level. I would be interested in BJJ tourneys and stuff.

I supposed the MMA is the reason we are doing no Gi. I have found that most BJJ practioners encourage you to start with a Gi, though.

Thanks for the responses. There is no KM training in the immediate area that I can find, being that I live in a small town in the middle of nowhere. I may hold off on that for now and stick with getting the basics of BJJ down for now. When I finish school I may move to an area where KM is regularly available, and if so may take it up.

I am faily new to BJJ. Right now I am learning in an informal setting. We as a group have chosen not to use a Gi in our training.

I want to know if this is normal? Do most BJJ people begin training with a Gi or with no Gi, or does that depend on how and why they are training?

Is it better to train with or without a Gi? From what I have seen most formal BJJ classes train with the Gi.

The key to success in any sport is not to copy what the best do but to innovate. Many in MMA for awhile have used a BJJ/Muay Thai combo. Both styles are very good. But it would be best to train with methods that will prepare you that much more or try to find new techniquest that can be used in the ring to win. If there are techniques that Karate/Judo or other arts could provide to give someone an edge, I would say use the,.

Royce Gracie won in the early UFC's because BJJ was not well known in the states at the time. No one knew of the techiques or how to counter them. So Royce won. He won because he was an innavator.

Then everyone began to incorporate BJJ in order to be able to counter it and use it, because Gracie won with it. Now BJJ is essential for MMA training, instead of advantage giving.

I am near Chattanooga Tn. Any Kyokushin schools near me....I doubt it but I am curious. There are plenty of Karate schools, Shotokan, Isshin-Ryu, etc....

What about Richmond, Va, my hometown?

I am near Chattanooga. In Chat if your friend is willing to go that far, Chu's Martial Arts (In Hixson, part of Chat) has a pretty solid Judo school.

As pointed out, you could also go to Knoxville (but if you can't tell from my name I have plenty of reason to HATE Knoxville.) I don't know if Knoxville or Chatt is closer to Nashvegas.

I think others would dispute that Muay Thai in its present form is a TMA. Present Muay from what has been said by some here is less than 100 years old and is descended from more traditional and ancient Thai arts.

I might be asking a dumb question but have you talked to a recruiter yet? If not, just be careful not to let them suck you in with really good looking promises. I would not hesitate to ask though.

UFC fighters use what works best in their environment. Fighting in the Octagon one on one is still a controlled situation. Granted, its about as close to a real street fight as you can get.

But you're one on one. You don't have to worry about your "attacker" having a buddy waiting behind you to jump you. You don't have to worry about weapons. You can grapple on the mat which is not as hard as the paved road. A fight stops when one is cut too badly to continue. You fight a certain number of rounds that are timed. A real street fight is not timed, does not have rounds, does not end with a bad cut, and is fought in an area much different than the octagon. Leaving the fight is not an option in the UFC, but in a street fight you have the option at times to flight rather than fight.

A am a big fan of the UFC, but I realize there is more to martial arts than the UFC.

a few things to consider:

1. what you are looking to get out of a style.

2. the quality of the school.

3. the environment you are looking for.

Visit each school, ask questions, participate, etc. make your decision based upon that. I personally would lean toward thai boxing, but then if I visited the school and the quality of the training was poor, I'd look elsehwere.

Sounds like good advice. I am looking mostly for self defense. BJJ seems to be good for sport and self defense, but lacking stand up and use in multiple opponent situations. Most of the guys I do BJJ with are more interested in the sport aspect and are draw to MT for that reason.