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This is a thread that I think will be helpful for people wanting to go to interesting seminars all over the world. Pedro Sauer BJJ seminar will be on June 29-July 1st in the Salt Lake City, UT area. For more information visit https://www.pedrosauer.com I will be there and there will be several guest BJJ instructors also. Rorion Gracie may make an appearance also. Come train with Pedro Sauer, voted #1 instructor of BJJ by the Aubu Dhabi.

Nice. I bet it's THE ONLY proven martial art that's 100% scientific also.

I love the striking styles of Muay Thai, Jun Fan and FMA. These are very close range striking systems using elbows, knees and headbutts as well as forearms and shins. I feel it's working great for me, and I'm a little shorter than most men 5'2". In reality, tall people do well in these arts also but their strategies are just different. You must adapt whatever you learn for your body-type, environment and opponent. I've had lots and lots of practice fighting the "short man's" game and my "style" of fighting looks very different from any of my instructors.

Yes, Gene LeBelle didn't want to fight Seagal at all. But Steven kept pushing the old man around until Gene just couldn't take it anymore. Sometimes an arrogant person needs to be humbled.. but Seagal is beyond help, he is still a very arrogant and nasty person. He has been known to purposely hurt his stunt-men actors in movies, punching them in the face, tossing them and missing the landing mats and torquing the wrist locks.

My friend, who heard it directly from Inosanto told me the story. It is hearsay, but from the story, Seagal was pushing Lebelle around saying he was just an "old timer" that didn't know shit. Anyway Seagal said "you couldn't choke me out in a minut....." and Lebelle had him unconscious. After Seagal woke up he said "i wan't ready, come do it again you old ma...." and Lebelle had him choked out yet again. My friend told me that according to Inosanto that it was a sad, sad site. Seagal had been choked out several times by the time it was over and that he had defecated himself. I really doubt that my friend or Inosanto would make up these stories. It is more believable that Seagal is an ass that thinks he's tougher than he really is. _________________ Just kick 'em, they'll understand. This Message was edited by: Patrick on Jun 27, 2001 11:50am

Through constant drills and training, your insticts saved you. It is lucky that you have trained in martial arts. Your training saved you IN SPITE of your anger. If you didn't allow the situation to anger you, it would've been even better in your favor. Anger only clouds your judgement an behavior. You were lucky because of training and skill, which isn't a bad thing but a martial artist should learn to analyse even the most dire of situations in a rational manner. Good for you that you can control your anger. Better wuld be to never get angered at all.

I have repeated this fact many times over. S. Steagal was choked out by Gene Lebelle many times over in a row to the point of pissing himself. It was on the set of Out for Justice. Dan Inosanto was there and saw the whole thing. Gene Lebelle is not in the credits for obvious reasons. My point is that Seagal is a pussy ass fighter that could not survive a fight against any MMA or real fighter. He is a wuss-boy actor lving on myth along. What really pisses me off is that he claims that he can command the "divine" spirits. Is he greater than any God, I thnk not. _________________ Just kick 'em, they'll understand. This Message was edited by: Patrick on Jun 27, 2001 11:47am

If there was no point in training Muay Thai, why do 80% of MMA fighters train in Muay Thai. It's apparent that the dominant styles in MMA are Muay Thai and Boxing for stand-up and BJJ for groundwork. This cannot be disputed. Give me a break. _________________ Just kick 'em, they'll understand. This Message was edited by: Patrick on Jun 27, 2001 11:44am

I've trained in BJJ for a couple years. I find it is more realistic, since Aikido and japanese jujitusu just assume that assailants will fall into the locks. _________________ Just kick 'em, they'll understand. This Message was edited by: Patrick on Jun 27, 2001 11:50am

There is a variation of the spinning axe kick that the Thai's use in the ring once in a while. It's called the crocodile kick. The leg stays straight during the spin, comes up high and crashes down at a 45degree angle into the opponent's neck ideally. Obviously this kick isn't used that often, but it is sure fun to train. _________________ Just kick 'em, they'll understand. [edited by moderator per new rule re. images] This Message was edited by: Kickbutt on Jun 26, 2001 9:31pm

I feel that belts only matter inside the school or organization in which they are given. Black belt does not necessarily mean a person can adequately even defend themselves these days. They are great in the few schools that actually use them the correct way, but there are too many McDojo's just giving belts away for the right $money$. I feel the only belts that really matter are the ones that are won in the ring. Other than that, belts from most martial arts schools are nothing more than decoration. _________________ Just kick 'em, they'll understand. This Message was edited by: Patrick on Jun 26, 2001 8:20pm

Hmm.. I just don't get angry. It's very rare that anything will anger me. I feel what makes a person angry is their own perceptions of events. If you allow a person to anger you, you are giving them power of your emotions, thus they are already winning. But if you don't allow that person to anger you, you maintain control of yourself and can think rationally and do whatever you want to. If you want to learn more about how to develope control over your own emotions, I suggest the "7 habits of highly effective people", a very good book.

Yes they are sports. I haven't competed but I am a trainer of amatuer fighters in these events. If you don't think Maurice Smith or Bas Rutten can whip butt in a street brawl, you're out of your mind. A gun is perfered, or any weapon, but such items cannot always be carried. They train for the ring AND the street. I'm sure these fighters train in self-defense methods. Karate fighters can play tag all they want. To me, it's boring and doesn't do anything more than prove who can touch who first. In MMA and Muay Thai, at least we can know who is able to punch hard and put all their knowledge together in a continous fight.

Yea, like how much Van Damme and Steven Seagal sucks. These punks aren't even close to being real fighters.

I think point-sparring injuries actually happen because of the lack of contact in the sport. Muay Thai boxers are used to getting hit, grabbed and smashed, as well as MMA fighters. Kumite practitioners don't have this kind of conditioning, therefore if and accident happens (IE someone actually punches hard), then there are injuries. Point sparring people wouldn't last in a Muay Thai or MMA event, and Thaiboxers and MMA fighters would get disqualified from Kumite. 2 different animals. I like to see fights, not karate tournaments.

Ok, since someone told me the "true definition of a kata". I'll tell you my favorite katas. Jab, cross, hook is one. Jab, cross, right kick is another. Left kick, cross, hook, right kick. Jab, cross, step-in right elbow, left elbow, up-knee and right kick is yet another. Ok, that's enough kata talk for now.

To believe such a thing exists, to base your actions upon it makes it a religious belief. It's the same as believing in the breath of God or devine power. Oh well, my point in the first place is that I don't believe that Chi exists and that the only thing humans can control is our own bodies. Some people believe in Chi can make themselves do strength feats, but that's not really chi, it's the power of the human mind.

Pressure points are real an deadly? Are you talking about Dim Mak? Get out, that's funny. Kicking a downed opponent is not forbidden they can even knee the head of a downed opponent. I'm not sure about the other rules, but in Pride-japan the rules are not many. Also, there are some true NHB fights held in the Philipinnes that are just nasty, the even do it with sticks. These fights have been happening since before UFC. I would like to go back to the early UFC rules of NHB. Anyway, it's much easier to kill a person than to subdue them. But to knock them out with a punch isn't as hard as killing with a strike pressure point or not. Karate tournaments are still tag and I don't see any real application for it. At least a MMA competitor can actually fight in a street brawl.

My point is that these traditional Karate strikes aren't deadly. They don't even come close to it. It's very hard to knock a person out with a strike, much harder to kill. Even in MMA where there are almost no rules, there has only been one death and that was due to a pre-existing condition.

No, just keep punching the bags and pads. That's all the conditioning you need. In a streetfight, it doesn't matter you'll still get cuts on your knuckles.

I just read the new rules of Kumite.. it's still just tag. Bruce Lee is still right about it. Attacks with the head, knees, or elbows are illegal. Attacks below the waist are illegal. Grabbing and clinching without first making a "geniune striking attack" is illegal. Here is a real funny line in the rules.. "Traditional karate techniques delivered full-power can cause extremely serious injury, even death. " A true "Kumite" would be in a MMA format with no points or time-limit. I think the Gracie's format of the UFC was the best.

I've travelled the world and I must say that I am glad to be living in the USA. The rest of the world can be nice to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. Japan would be the only place I might consider living, but even that country doesn't come close to being as nice as the USA. GO USA!!!

could it be the level and number of injuries is due to a lack of skill? THere are more rules in Kumite than in Muay Thai or MMA competition. More weapons means there must be more skill.

I must agree with Bruce Lee about karate and kumite. Hehhe.

depends on the karate tournament format. Point sparring is tag to me. A fight does not stop as soon as one person makes contact. Also, the rules in Karate tournaments can be very silly, even in the full contact bouts. I think the MMA format is as close to a fight as can be with Muay Thai being the second.