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I have read somewhere that Emin Boztep challenged the Gracies but they did not accept. Does anyone have more info on this. Wing Chun Kuen Man

Hormones. Wing Chun Kuen Man

battousai16, Stick to it you will find that it will be well worth your while. Wing Chun Kuen Man

Sho-ju, There are quiet a few Preying Mantis styles of kung fu. From what I have read about them they can be very effective in self defense. There are some styles that are even said to be similar to Wing Chun. If I were you I would at least check out the school and find out what style of Mantis they teach and let us know. Wing Chun Kuen Man

I would just make sure that for now they attend all their MA classes as they would if they were attending regular school. In time when MA gets into their system and they are a little older it may get easier to make them train at home. Wing Chun Kuen Man

Shadow Gumba, As an ex TKD practitioner you may take to karate quicker than you would to many other styles. I would also recomment Wing Chun . However, nothing will come out of any style if the school/instructor is bad. Good Luck in your search. Wing Chun Kuen Man

Krav Maga is one of the best styles of self defense to give you results in a relatively short period of time. As far as longer term training is concerned (5years or more) however I would put my money on authentic karate styles such as Goju-Ryu and Shorin-Ryu or of course kung fu styles including Shaolin Five Animales, Praying Mantis and of course Wing Chun. Of course non of the styles mentioned above are perfect just different and each one good in its own way. Just my opinion. Wing Chun Kuen Man

sho-ju, White Crane kung fu is not the most "dangerous" style of kung fu. It can sure be classified as one of the most "dangerous" but it would be very difficult to name the most dangerous style of kung fu. As far as I am concerned most if not all styles are dangerous if learnt the way they were meant to be learnt. Having made the above statement I will like to add that there are styles of kung fu that are considered higher level styles. The dragon style is such a style. It involves a high level of chi development and a great number of deadly moves, and I am lead to believe by my sifu that in both the Shaolin and the Wudang temple it was usually the last style to be taught to the disciples (I am sure that there were circumstances where it was not). Wing Chun Kuen Man

battousai16, Good luck with your first Wing Chun class. Wing Chun Kuen Man

What are imperfections for one person, can be irrelevante to another. Example, the fact that there are no fancy high/jumping kicks in Wing Chun may be seen by some as imperfections, where as by me and many other practitioners it is regarded as irrelevant. Why try to jump kick the head when you can finish the fight with a kick to the side of the knee or the groin? I like the close fighting aspects of my style and its completness - not "perfection". What aspects of wing chun would I improve or add to? Improve? Myself Add to ? I am not qualified to answer until I have learnt and understood - if not mastered the complete system. Even then I doubt that there is much I can add to it. A better option would be then to train in another kung fu style to discover areas that may not be so well "covered" in Wing Chun. Lets wait and see. Wing Chun Kuen Man

47MartialMan, Just some suggestions: https://www.wingchunkuen.com https://www.cheungswingchun.com https://www.wingchun.com and also, https://www.shaolin.com Books include: Yuen Kay-San Wing Chun Kuen by Rene Ritchie This is Karate by Mas. Oyama

47MartialMan, I have got one eye on him Wing Chun Kuen Man

DM, I assure you that I know what I am talking about. Based on my experience and research most kung fu schools here in Rio are not authentic and lack essence. Eventhough you are more likely to come across a good karate school in this city, things are not that much better for karate either. I have made a hobby of visiting and watching classes in different schools of kung fu and other MAs including karate, MT,BJJ etc. Some of my kung fu brothers also do this and we sometimes talk about our various experiences. I have seen a few schools in London as well. Also from some of the posts that I read here I get a good idea of some of the MA schools that a lot of our forum colleagues frequent. Through reading international MA magazines one can also get a good idea of today´s "martial trends". In my opinion one of the problems is this: There are many Mcdojos in many countries in the western hemisphere. There are bad Mcdojos and very bad Mcdojos. What happens is many people who are members of bad Mcdojos compare their schools to the very bad Mcdojos and end up thinking that their school is the real thing and so the illusion goes on. And of course you are more likely to come across a bad or very bad Mcdojo to compare to yours than a good and authentic MA school. All the while all of these inadequate schools are producing a factory line of "instructors" who go on to open their own inadequate MA schools. It is like a cancer tumor and it keeps growing and growing. The above are my opinions based on my own criteria and experience as to what a good and authentic MA, particularly kung fu school should be. Other members of the forum including you DM, may have other criteria and experience, and as result opinions based on those criteria/experience - fare enough. An important point to also remember is the fact that many of the Mcdojos/franchises are run like big businesses with fancy marketing strategies etc. As a result many times they come to blur out the more traditional kung fu schools many of which are by nature use low key if any advertising. This results sometimes in good and authentic kung fu schools becoming hard to find. As far as my training in London, I would rather keep those details to myself for now. Wing Chun Kuen Man

47MartialMan, I believe the post is aimed at me. However, it is also a general criticizm that he is making of various posts that have appeared in this forum. Wing Chun Kuen Man

Shorin Ryuu, Great site, thank you for the info. Wing Chun Kuen Man

Sevenstar, I was not talking about short power. Just using the wing chun principles and still using the ground as your "base" to add power to your punches. One of the key factors is maintaining a very relaxed physical state, however there are other factors as well and I have still to learn them - as implied in a previous post, I ain´t no expert yet. Wing Chun Kuen Man

Sevenstar, Ground fighting techniques are not only limited to WC as you probably know dog boxing, some monkey and mantis styles are others that also use ground fighting techniques. I have also heard of other chinese wrestling styles. As far as defending against takedowns are concerned some striking techniques that one might think would not work against takedowns do work when they are applied by experts and not someone who learnt them through forms and superficial application exercises. Here, I am still talking about EXPERTS, real ones. Many kung fu experts will also use devastating finger strike techniques to defend themselves against grapplers. Finger techniques that I am talking about take many years to master, that is I am not talking about some one with a couple of years of training and a "black belt" who can do 10 push ups on their fingers. I will add that in my own sifus case in a friendly match situations he allows himself to be taken down and works on the ground using chin-na and wing chun- he is that confortable on the ground. His own wing chun training has involved a lot of groung training. Where are the real kung fu experts? They are around. One just has to look for them and in many cases very hard. I found one, he is my sifu and I was extremely lucky. [ I have also found one in London where I will be moving soon to live for a couple of years]. I would add however that you are not likely to come across one in UFC and Vale Tudo arenas, it is a possibility one day maybe, but generally I would say that is not the nature of the beast. As far as timespans are concerned I am 100% with you with MT and BJJ you will gain useable self defense skills quickly in comparison with kung fu. And of course for those who stick to them they have even more to offer in the longer term. Wing Chun Kuen Man

DM, I think you just put your finger on the problem. That "one interpretation" that you made was WRONG. The notion of a "real kung fu guy" is as valid as the notion of a real karate guy or a real bjj guy. For real read authentic, not watered down, complete etc. My "view" on most kung fu guys is also valid. From my own research most of the kung fu schools that I have looked at are either Mcdojos/kwoons or just glorified 'selfdefense' classes or both. That is, they lack the deep knowledge that is kung fu and as a result they lack essence as well. This "plague" is not exclusive to kung fu but also to karate as well I am sure other MA´s. I know that there are economic and financial "reasons" behind this phenomenom as mentioned by other members of the forum on other threads - but it EXISTS. Many people who go to these schools will even learn some selfdefense skills and even know how to ´fight´ but wether they will have learnt KUNG FU is another story and maybe even for many of them that will be irrelevant because they will be happy with their newly acquired skills. THAT IS MY VIEW. And furthermore I would hold this view if the discussion was karate, an art that I don´t practice but which suffers from similar problems as kung fu . Wether your school is good or authentic is not my problem, it may or it may not be. Actually I hope that it is. When I said "ask your sifu" he may or may not enlighten you on the matter I also added "I honestly don´t know" (which somehow you missed in your quote), meaning that I really don´t know, because I don´t know anything about him or your wing chun school, that is all. Him not telling you would not necessarilly mean that he does not know either. However, I don´t automatically discount the possibility that he might actually lack knowledge in the ground fighting aspects of wing chun as well, as I said before I HONESTLY don´t know. I just don´t like it when you see implications that don´t exist. As far as the ground fighting is concerned I think I have said what I had to say. I still suggest that you have a chat with your sifu and see what he has to say. Wing Chun Kuen Man

DM, It is all about using the earth energy (the ground) for effective punching. When on the ground this energy can be utilized in a differente way then when standing up. Ask your sifu, he may enlighten you on the matter - or then he may not - I honestly don´t know. With comments like that you are the one "hinting/suggesting" that you are not a REAL kung fu guy, not me. Eventhough I study in an authentic and a traditional wing chun style/school, I am a long way away from being a "real kung fu guy" maybe another five years of non-stop practice if not more are needed, for me to make such claims. So yes, you may be the only one "who sees this" implication in "most" of my posts or at least you are the only one who brings it up. "Dude"? Could you and WW be the same person? Or has he been helping you brush up on your english writing skills? 47MartialMan, I agree with you there. Eventhough some people will have different experiences with street fights most fights that I have seen - including here in Rio where everyone and their grandmothers seem to be practicing bjj - did not go to the ground (not both fighters at least...he he he) I think that many people in REAL street fights instinctively avoid going to the ground because of the uncertainties that are involved in such action. By the way when I talk about real street fights, I am not "hinting/suggesting" that I am a REAL street fighter and the rest of you are not.....LOL Wing Chun Kuen Man

Agreed, GO FOR IT. Wing Chun Kuen Man

Sevenstar, You made some good and valid points, thank you. I just want to stress that many anti takedown techniques and ground techniques exist in karate and yes kung fu styles. The problem is to find authentic schools with knowledgable instructors who teach these techniques and not just brush over them. I am glad to say that good schools do exist, but not many. I want to add as well that most major kung fu style will have a good portion of Chin-na techniques incorporated within their curriculum. And for those who know, Chin-na can be lethal standing up or on the ground. My wing chun sifu here in Rio told me of a sparring session(friendly) he had with one brazilian jiu-jitsu champion in an academy where they were both teachers. He said that his opponent had no answer for his -controlled- chin-na techniques and eventually got confused and irritated, at which point my sifu stopped the confrontation. My sifu´s idea was to make this match a learning experience (for whom I wonder now) and not a violent confrontation. Wing Chun has chin-na techniques within its curriculum and also because of the nature of the style its striking techniques are very effective on the ground as well, more so than many other "striking arts". As far as close range takedowns are concerned I would not recomment it if one is facing a Wing Chun or any kung fu expert for that matter. On the other hand I think nowadays one is much and I mean much more likely to meet a good grappler in a fight than a REAL kung fu expert - sometimes I even think that a street fight involving Bin Ladin rather than an authentic kung fu fighter is a more probable occurance. It is to do not just with lack of good schools but also with the time span involved in reaching a lets say "effective" level in kung fu. It takes a lot less time to acquire self defence skills in bjj or MT than in any kung fu or even a traditional karate style. That is why when a friend asks me to recommend a self defense system the first thing that I ask is "how much time do you want to put in it?" For faster results yes bjj, MT, Krave Maga etc. For people who are not in too much of a hurry then I recommend various kung fu or even karate styles. Wing Chun Kuen Man

The mind also controls the Chi. Wing Chun Kuen Man

Sevenstar, The grappling defenses found in many striking systems include knee strikes to the face, as take down defenses. Also, finger strikes to vital areas such as eyes and throat etc; back fist/elbow strikes to the back of the skull and neck area. In my style of wing chun there is grappling techniques when there is one on one grappling on the floor, using the fighting principles of the style. Grappling and "anti" grappling techniques exist in many numerous kung fu styles. I will also point out that many traditional fighting arts were given techniques to defend against takedowns by their founders, wether these are taught by today´s senseis or sifus in an era dominated by Mcdojos is another story. Also, it is good to remember that many fights start with word exchange first and sometimes the first strike finishes the fight, i.e. There is not always a controlled match situation. Wing Chun kuen Man

A good striker will not let the fight go to the ground because he will finish his opponent within seconds of a fight starting. Failure to do so means that he is not a good striker. However, as mentioned before accidents do happen, so it is always good to know what to do when you are on the ground. I suppose that is why many kung fu and some karate styles have grappling techniques as well. That is, they are complete martial arts despite what many "experts" say. Wing Chun Kuen Man