Warp Spider

I wouldn't start a fight straight off just because someone pushed you - that makes you the attacker, and the courts have every right to make you look like the criminal. Grappling moves become appropriate if the person is aggressively shoving you, striking only if the person actually takes a swipe or uses an agressive grappling move against you. Alot of the time people shove or otherwise get "in your face" they have no intention of actually fighting you. Often they simply have a short fuse and are reacting to what they consider an aggresive action on your part. (accidentally rubbing against them, or whatever) Further, it's also worth considering that the person may be an undercover police officer who is having a bad day and gets in your face for whatever reason. If you attack him you'll be doing a nickel in the joint, and the court really doesn't care that he provoked you. If, on the other hand, it is an obvious mugging, or other attack, where the people simply rush at you and start swinging, then by all means do your worst. Stop when they either stop moving, or they start running away. Breaking a bone (on purpose)or choking someone to unconciousness is bad mojo with the police regardless of the circumstances. If you must subdue the person completely you can choke them nearly to unconciousness, and it will take a few minutes for them to recover enough to do anything significant. Leaving a person unconcious on the sidewalk/whatever is just plain irresponsible. You never know, they could be a good person that was simply confused as to your identity or your intentions.

I thought Ninjitsu was focused around stealthy movement techniques, etc. and didn't itself contain any combat techniques.

no he couldent and he isint...he has said so himself...he said he would not fight in a NHB event because he is only trained to fight with his hands..noty with kicks, knees, elbows, takedowns etc...this is all from him. Well, I could say that I have no idea how to walk, but it would be a lie. I'd sure have the element of surprise in the Special Olympics though! Dahahahah!

And my point is... it wouldn't work! Traditional breaking techniques would NOT break a leg doing this! Seriously! The granular composition of bricks and cinder blocks makes them easy to break if done "properly." I don't know the technique, I would probrably need a sledgehammer - are you implying that a 7-year old kid can hit with the power of a sledgehammer? It's all technique!

I think that is a pretty rash assumption. In fact, the likely scenarios would not involve a moving vehicle. If the driver is seriously attacked, or even more unlikely if he is attacking, while the vehicle is moving, there will almost certainly be a wreck. I realize that attempting to fight while driving is dangerous. In fact that's exactly what I said. Now that's just silly. I was using extreme sarcasm to demonstrate how absurd your suggestion to simply ignore the motion of the car. "half decent defense" being something like putting your free hand up in front of your face to minimize the amount of damage the other guy can do while you decelerate. "Contrary to popular belief," it is not difficult to remove the keys from the ignition when you are driving. Never had siblings apparently. Ever done a leg press? Planting your back against the door and your legs against the other guy is the approximate equivalent of being sat on by a guy who weighs between 400 and 1200 pounds, depending on your strength. They other guy simply CANNOT fight back when they have that much force holding them against the door. For further comparison, it's the approximate restraint acquired through several G's of acceleration. And it would be quite difficult to flip a person over who was wearing a seatbelt. Perhaps you could TRY sparring with someone in a car to see how absolutely rediculous your idea was. However, while in the vein of ludicrous plans, I'd change the coffee idea for slicing and dicing the guy with the laser held in my super-spy wristwatch. If that didn't work I'd deploy the parachute stored in my shoe to suffocate him.

#1. Quoting the dictionary is just plain stupid. Nothing makes their definition any more valid than mine. #2. Even that dictionary says "usually" practiced as a sport. In face, it specifically states that it is used for combat or self-defense, though I would disagree that is must be Asian in origin to qualify. To my knowledge, BJJ was designed explicitly for real-life combat. #3 The very suggestion that Jiu-Jitsu is not a martial art is mind-boggling. It is so similar to Judo, which you apparently DO recognize as a martial art, that claiming one is a martial art and the other is not is absurd. That's like claiming a bruised apple is not the same thing as a smooth apple, and therefore does not qualify as an apple. #4 [edit]

Keep in mind that although not explicity stated, either you or the other person is driving the car, which is probrably moving. It is not wise to turn yourself to face them, or if they are driving, to turn them to face you. Contrary to popular belief, it is quite difficult to drive a car while being attacked, unable to see where you are going, and with neither hand on the wheel. As I said, the best choice would probrably be to splash your hot coffee on them, if you had one. Barring that, if you're driving, do your best to defend and bring the car to a halt, then grab the keys and get out. If you are the passenger, well, I can't imagine the driver being that much of a hazard. Again, just do a half-decent defense. It's not going to be very easy for a person driving a car to attack someone beside them. If this is a back seat confrontation, then the best thing would probrably be what little kids do. Lift up your legs and plant them on the other person. With your back against your door, you can push them against their door, thereby pinning them. You could try choking the person by putting one foot on their neck, or you could use one leg for pinning and the other for weak kicks. If it's in a limo.. I dunno, grab a bottle from the bar and hit them with it.

To my knowledge boxing was originally developed as a martial art. Professional boxing today is not the same thing as the martial art boxing, just like point sparring isn't the same thing as whatever art you guys practice. Professional boxing is just the point sparring portion of the art boxing. Many professional boxers may not train the full art, only what is allowed in point competition, but the full art is still there. Well.. that's simply not true. There are more moves than just the ones you listed, and blocking in boxing does take place. It's just not as noticeable.

Well, yes, they probrably can. However, I think brawling is effective in any circumstance and although it's not the most efficient art, it can still be quite effective. The moves are crude, but some I feel still have a place in a trained fighter's arsenal. (NFL-style tackle, spear, clinch & punt, headbutt, shove & trip, etc.)

I still don't get it.

So your implication then is that if a person were to place their lower leg on supports so it was flat like a board and couldn't move away, that a 7-year old kid could not only snap it in two with a single strike, but could do so with several legs piled on top of each other? Even a "master breaker" likely couldn't break a thick rope even if it was dryer than the sahara and helt taut by titanium clamps. The composition of bricks, cinder blocks, and boards makes them highly resistant to wear, but weak against attempts to separate them.

I think it just seems that way because boxers are hard to KO. This is a symptom of the sport "boxing," which isn't really the same thing as the style, "boxing." Professional boxers generally do not practice these moves, or practice against them, because they are fouls in the sport. However, they are still part of the art, and nothing is stopping a boxer from practicing them. I think that a boxer would plow over a TKD fighter like a semi-truck going 200. Their quick, snapping kicks would be like mosquito bites to a seasoned boxer, and with the footwork they would likely have no difficulty closing the range. I think a Karate fighter would last longer because I think that style is a bit more designed to draw out a combat. In the end I think that the boxer would still win, assuming the fighters were approximately the same skill level. I can't speak for Kung Fu, because I don't have any experience with it.

Don't confuse strangulation with choking. They are completely different. Choking is constricting the oxygen supply. Choking people doesn't work very well. If you tense the muscles in your neck it creates a strong barrier which prevents choking. I've never been choked out, even part way, despite numerous attempts. Strangulation is the physical destruction of the windpipe through an extremely forceful constriction. A person who is strangled will not be able to breathe even after you release them. For obvious reasons, this technique is generally not practiced, due to the rarity of expendable opponents. There is no effective defense against strangulation, except that it is difficult to get in a position to strangle someone unless you are far stronger or they have already been subdued. As mentioned - maybe some people are more susceptible to choking than others, but my experience there is limited. I don't have any trouble when being "choked." I've attempted choking 4 people, only two of which succumbed. On another note, a broken arm is bad, but not the end of the world. It's foolish to get cocky and think you can just break anyone's arm whenever you like. Grappling moves almost invariably require an opening, one which your opponent may not provide.

I think brawling is a style - it's not really formally taught or trained, but more an inherent capability that most humans seem to have, I still think it qualifies because simply going on your gut instincts on what would probrably cause harm can still be quite effective. Cavemen certainately had no formal "style," but I'm sure they still had some mean scraps occasionally.

Darn tootin. But you started it.

Given the category, I was under the impression that PhilM1 was referring to traditional martial arts tournaments, where the goal is not to cause your opponent any serious injury.

Says who? Breaking an arm won't end a fight. Choking doesn't work very well in my experience, it's kind of uncomfortable but doesn't cause unconciousness. Furthermore, using a threat of breaking an arm is pointless. Either you are not planning on letting me walk away, in which case you might as well break it now anyway before you get bitten/kicked/whatever. Alternatively, you may be planning to let the person back up when they claim they give up. In which case I'd attack again as soon as I got back up, or just pretend to run away and set up an ambush. That is why submission moves are useless, because the guy will just come back anyway. Unless you break his arm, in which case he might bite you, or if he's flexible, kick you in the head. And FYI, we're not kids or kittens, being bitten by an adult can cause the removal of a good deal of tissue and induce quite severe bleeding. There is no submission or grappling move I've seen that doesn't leave at least one striking limb (teeth included) unaccounted for, save for being flat on your face, which is not an easy position to get a resisting person into. Grappling moves aren't totally pointless, but in anything less than no holds barred combat things are skewed toward grappling because the person is not actually going to take a chomp out of some arteries in your arm, and they aren't likely to kick you in the back of the head while you are holding them either. (this is not impossible if your opponent is flexible.) Furthermore, they aren't going to friggin' clock you and send you to the ground like many strikers are probrably capable of doing so. That would probrably result in at least a broken nose and a nasty bruise. Grappling has an edge in sparring because it doesn't generally cause as much bleeding/assorted nasty injury. As a result, you are permitted to use more force when sparring. If you were only allowed to use the same amount of force grappling as the strikers are allowed when sparring, you probrably couldn't grapple a 12-year old.

I think keys are often suggested because they work with your natural motions. You put the key between your fingers so when you punch you drive the point into the target. It also adds something to your hand, and as any caveman will tell you, holding something heavy when you hit something makes the brains come out faster.

Front kicks are easy to catch, unless of course you do them fast.. but if you do them fast you could hurt someone. It's not an easy attack to "pull" without reducing it's speed.

I think that full contact sparring should be done with the intent of pummeling the other person. If you don't you will end up leaning towards submission moves, which don't work as well in real combat. Many submission moves leave you open to being bitten, kicked/punched/headbutted in the groin, etc... things that don't work well or are not permitted in general sparring.

Based on my experience with other arts, (which is somewhat limited) I'd have to say: (only mine are in order) 1) Paladin - A can of butt-kick in the name of God! Fwahaha! 2) Muay Thai 3) Pankration 4) Boxing/Kickboxing 5) Brawling 6) Jeet Kune Do 7) Brick/Chair/Bottle/Object Hurling This style has no name. But it works. 9) Shotokan 10) Krav Maga

I'm a little unclear as to what you are referring to as an "aerial," but I might be able to figure out how you can do them if you could describe what exactly it is.

Uh.. what?

I don't know the technique because I have never trained in it. However, I have seen numerous kids do it. However, like I said, breaking things doesn't make you strong. (though strongmen can break things with less refined techniques) So if you learned to break it wouldn't make you much of a strong man. Breaking boards/bricks/cinder blocks is all flash, and is not related to a persons capability to break other things that are of a more complex composition. After all, a cinder block is a lot stronger than most people, why do you think we don't see people getting snapped in two in no-holds-barred tournaments?

How would you know? Have you ever fought the guy? Obviously there's a lot of stuff he couldn't do in the ring (but tries anyway ) that he could do in UFC. He could be the best grappler in the world and you wouldn't know it because he doesn't use it in the ring, and that's likely the only place you've seen him fight.