shotokanwarrior

First of all, I am 30 yrs old, out of shape and have martial arts back ground. I have really been thinking of competing in a mma event. I wonder if I am to old to even be thinking of this. Any thoughts on the matter? I know that I will need a lot of training and I live in sacramento CA. If anyone knows of a good school let me know.

 

thanks

just wondering, did the old masters with big knuckles and hard hands complain about this condition when they were older?

green belt shotokan

 

gold belt kenpo

 

white belt bjj

 

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I was always told that if you are faced with a trained knife fighter, you will never see the blade until its to late.

I fear neither. One guy is predictable

 

You will not know your enemy, so how can you predict what technique will be used? I know that I cant tell the future.

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Let's be honest folks. I appreciate all the replies to this subject, but I am getting nothing more than opinions in favor of the style that the reply-e practices.

 

Kyokushin is a Fighting Art more than a Martial Art, and to those who understand the difference the following will be easy to follow.

 

I have trained in other styles of Karate in the past just to get a feel for the other variations that are out there, and to better understand them from experience and not from a Forum conversation. These include Shotokan, Kenpo, Shindenkan, and Goju.

 

I will be the first to admit that all of the forementioned styles I gained respect for. They all had similar Kata, had similar if not identical kicks, punches, throws, sweeps etc. The one thing that seperated us from them was not what we trained in, rather how we trained. Kyokushin emphasizes (overly sometimes) a harsh training regimen that consists of primarily hard basics for warm ups, hard full speed drills, severe emphasis on technique and the physics behind them, full contact sparring at low speed for technique and high speed for ring experience, body conditioning for impact absorbtion, Sanchin for endurance and mental toughness and Kata. At no time are pads of any kind allowed for multiple reasons. Punching (both closed fist and open hand to the face and body) kicking, and throwing are the focal points!! Yet, we do in fact train in multiple grappling and manipulation aspects. While they are not the STRONG POINTS of Kyokushin, they ARE part of the training and have been so long as I know of. YES we do use elbows, knees and just about anything that can be projected from the body. Kyokushin does allow any and all kicks and knees to the head, as well as any desired hand or leg technique to the body. The point of a Kyokushin match is to quickly, effectively, and unquestionably knock out the opponent. Not to score points and go on for rounds. Having explained a bit about the "Art" of Kyokushin I can now tell you why it differs from "Traditional" Karate. Most other systems (with the exception of MT and Goju) train for sport and do not for the most part require a strict and harsh training regimen. Most sytems tend to teach for the art and preach the importance of not having to use force to deal with force. I spent many months training with these systems learning their techniques and although I got to understand many techniques in depth, we were not allowed to put them to use. We were just "told" that they would work. I think most of you will agree thatin order to know what works for an individual, you must learn, practice, and put to practical use each and every technique to better understand what works for you. No 2 people can assume that they can both use a technique effectively and in the same situation seeing that they are both different and will react differently. I really did appreciate what I learned from these other guys and I respect them tremendously.

 

That being said, I also learned that I prefer the reality and harshness that only in Kyokushin I have found. Kyokushin means "Ultimate Truth" and that is what we strive for. No, we are not allowed to punch to the head in a bout, but then again I think most are thankful for that fact. If we are devestating without the hand strikes to the head, it is only better that we don't cross into that realm. Well, in the dojo atleast. Do we have a better understanding now? It is, what it is.

 

Think about what happens if Kyokushin fighters are allowed to fight MT guys under their rules, but without the gloves. We don't use gloves because we don't head hunt. If they take off the gloves and fight by our rules and we are allowed to strike the head as they did in the days of Oyama in Japan and Korea, there is no competition. 5 Kyokushin top fighters vs 5 MT top fighters and the result was KK4 MT1. Then again the rules have changed. Gee, how convenient. I respect all styles, but lean towards those in our realm. The Fighting Arts!! I just don't like seeing true Martial Artist beeing mislead by your run of the mill corner dojo that just wants to claim a stake in their city's black belt production line. You know what I mean. Now, Any Comments folks?

 

By the way, My true respect to the following arts as they have so much to offer for their students in my experience and in that of many around me....

These are hardly Facts, just opinions.

Be afarid of the man who does one technique 10,000 times, not the man who does 10,000 techniques once.

I have tried both, but i choose to master one art at a time, ( shotokan )

Ok from what I have heard judo has better throws and bjj is better on the groung. I will accept that, but this is how I look at it. The two meet on the street and since they are standing up and not laying in the middle of the road , the judo player throws the bjj to the concrete, fight over ...I will choose judo to learn.

I have two questions.

 

1 any one here do combat hapkido, what is it like?

 

2 any schools near saceamento calif?

TMA have been around far to long to just disapear even if it is not popular at some time, there are still dedicated people to keep it alive. If you join a TMA school just to fight you are missing the whole picture.

The only water in my shotokan class is the bottle that I gulp down during the hard training that I endure. Yes kids get a little less because you dont want a 8 year old beating on other kids and seriously hurting one.

The best martial art is the one that knocks the other guy out cold.

I recently saw a police video where an officer was trying to controll two guys, he threw one and mouned the other. to make a long story short the other guy got up and was punching the officer in the face while he was mounted on his buddy. he could not controll the situation by himself by grappling and had to get back up and draw his gun. Anyway I would not grapple just because of that kind of thing can happan and also police are well traind to know what going on around them. I personally train to get out and back up.

From what I have seen all fights look like crap, nothing like the movies. It is very suprising when someone is sucker punched and the reaction, its like all technique goes out the window. You must train to take a hit and how to deal with a surprise attack.

to all wc people: I am going to start soon. from what I have saw so far in my area ( sacramento calif ) there are schools with no belt and no uniform, to a calss with a uniform and a grade system that uses colored sashes.

Thanks drunken monkey, since my last post I have talked to an instructor of wing chun and there was nothing neg. about my shotokan experiance, but as far as im concerened I wont make it public knowledge. speaking from experiance of a bjj school I worked out in, they do poke fun at other styles but it is from a lack of understanding. Anyway the class is 5 days a week for 2 hours. What is considered a good price since it was not discussed yet, but i gues that does not really matter if the class is good.

will it be hard for someone like myself who has done shotokan, cross over and do wing chun?

I do not disrepect the gracies they are great. I to took bjj and followed them greatly almost blindly like most. Then I met a fourth dan karate guy with 35 yrs experiance and who traveled to many countries, He opened my eyes. All arts have something to offer you but you have to admitt that saying bjj is the greatest is tooting your own horn. I do need to get back to my JKA dojo kun, the holidays are boring.

One again I have proved my point that no one listens. Does anyone know what self defense is? Its not FIGHTING.........I know there are people here who are mature enough to know.

You must not read very well or you do not know the differance between fighting and self defense. And yes if a gracie walked up to my instructor in a bar and grabbed his shirt, gracie would not be here. Must be someone who can back me up, I drill to death in self defense and it does not matter who the other guy is.

I will agree that in a fight the grappler will have a better advantage. Fighting is different than NHB and both are different than self defense.

 

I would like to see a new gracie challange video like all the ones where they beat all karate, kung fu people, but this time have someone well trained in self defence sitting in a bar. Have a gracie wearing street cloths walk into the bar and walk up the the self defence man, grabs his shirt and threatens him. Keep in mind gracies knows nothing of this man...My bet is that gracies is out in less than 30 seconds...That is how I train in self defense.

Way before the gracies came along we had judo and other grappling arts, judo gene was cranking necks before i was born. What do think was the main reason for bjj becoming so big, almost no one knew about it but now it is wide spread, If the UFC never happened would we still be in the dark?

I agree it is evolution and they made it popular.

no I was trying to understand what you were saying. In my opinion they took the guard that you said was from judo and tweeked it and came up with the spider guard. So the original guard was looked at as a basic technique and they applied some modifications and created a different technique. in a way it is new but it still came from something old.

 

People do this all the time and say they invinted something never seen before, but I say once you reach a certain level you can tweek a move on the spot to apply it many ways, even if it looks different that the original move.