Punchdrunk

I think it's taste, partner. I hate golf but look at how many actually think it is interesting to watch. Do you train in groundfighting? It helps a lot to appreciate what's going on. I just like watching a good scrap.

Thanks, Ram. I learned a LOT too.

Hey folks there's a really interesting kung fu website at http://members.tripod.com/~crane69 It documents the history of Muy Thai vs Kung Fu along with some interesting info on the developement of Sanda & San Shou. The results of the competitions really supprts the idea that victory between these styles is determined by the rules they fight under. In a fight between two similarly talented, conditioned, experienced, and sized MA's from each style - it comes down to who needs and wants to win the most. As always I believe in the fighter more than the style.

Thanks folks, Congrats on your forum yellow belt leaf. Actually I'm a Shidokan practitioner. Like Kyokushin, from which it is descended, we have kata from many different styles. I even think very highly of my kata sensei but now that we are past Heian 1-5 and Tekki we are moving to the Goju Ryu style katas and I am completely unfamiliar with this style. Working on some extracurricular study. When you get over thirty five you need every edge you can get.

Outstanding idea. I was kind of hoping for feedback from Martial artists/fighters because of the difference in our goals and training demands but you are right I'll get more response at sites like that. Thanks, Jack.

Actually EAS and body for LIfe are interconnected - Product & Program. I want to know if anyone has used it for a prolonged period of time? How is it for energy to workout? How is it for simplicity of use? How is it for expense? Anyone have a superior program to suggest?

Anyone know good books, websites,videos for Sanchin kata & the other breathing katas that relate to it? My dojo has 1 kata class a week (Lots more emphasis on sparring and fighting techniques) an it's about to change to a time that will make it even harder to attend. Any supplementary materials will make it a lot easier to retain what I learn. Thanks, OSU!

In the U.S. you very rarely see elbows to the head allowed in competition which is a staple move in Thailand. Also the spiritual opening ceremony or dance that is an essential part of competition in Thailand is often omitted in the U.S. There are notable North American exceptions to both of these differences but those are a couple places where paths diverge. Also a lot of Thai kickboxing competitors in N. & S. America and Europe(Holland a notable exception) came to Muy Thai after learning another discipline so you will see more side, axe, and spinning kicks than in Thailand. Plus Thai fighters train twice a day, six days a week and literally live in their training camp from about 5 or six years old so their proficiency is exceptional.

Thanks folks. I was pretty excited.

Just had my first kickboxing match. I won a two round decision! Old style PKA type rules. 8 kicks per round above the waist. No leg kicks. Four fighters from school. Two got KO'd in 1st round. One lost because he was three kicks short of his minimum. Guess who looked the worst? Me. Raccoon style black eyes and a serious cut over my left eye. I had a blast and wasn't actually hurt at all. Much tougher fight with my wife when I got home and she saw my face. Yipes!

Any body tried this? What do you think? If there's aprevious thread for it please let me know. I'm looking for a SIMPLE (i.e. a non-cooking moron like myself can maintain it) style of eating that gives me enough energy to workout (fair amount of cardio & 3xaweek kyokushin style karate sparring + 2-3x aweek bjj sparring) but won't gain weight. I'm currently 5'7" 155lbs. Any help is appreciated. P>S> I HATE TOFU! :???:

Bon Sensei, I am so glad you have given up levitating six to eight feet above the sparring mat while hurling thunderbolts from your eyes. If you've seen that technique once it just loses it's lustre the second time. Seriously, Fullcontact it's either: jab, cross, hook, lead leg roundhouse to head or double jab spinningrear backfist "Bareknuckle" or Kyokushin: lead leg front kick to body, rear round house to lead leg - repeat twice then switch rear round house to head - classic low, low, high once.

How often do you all spar? Do you always strike first or go for a choke or joint lock earlier if it is the best opening? No grappler gloves even? I would think that would be as rough on your hands as anything else? It is interesting to read just how many and how divergent the feelings on "martial arts training" are.

Sorry not as clear with that as I should have been. -You are going to start with your right coming from below or the inside of their left or choking hand -In a "wax off" motion, you are going to wrap that right hand and arm over their left moving from the inside out and over- I've never been good with the clock wise thing but I believe you would call it counter clockwise. -you should wind up with their hand in your arm pit, your forearm under theirs just below the elbow and if you can put control their left upper arm with your left and lock your right hand on to your left arm you have a very solid joint lock pressuring their elbow.

A few things you may have already heard - Make sure you sit back in your base to avoid offering the choke. Put your chin down - it stops knockouts and blocks chokes. When the first hand sinks in lets say it's their right - overhook it with your left , wrapping your arm around and pressure on the area just before their elbow with the the bone in your forearm from below while trapping their hand in your armpit. You will rarely get a finisher off this but it keeps them honest. Shonie Carter's choke escape guidelines - -clear the airway (Lower the chin, spread the gi , turn into the choke etc.) -come to center( find where you've been pulled off balance and correct it) -follow the path of least resistance(if you poke around there is usually a little gap to work on somewhwere no matter how small) Most important-don't panic! you probably have more time than you think and relaxing will make you more efficient in using the air you do have. _________________ One cannot choose to be passive without the option to be aggressive. [ This Message was edited by: Punchdrunk on 2002-06-23 10:46 ]

Hey if John Will is a Machado blackbelt then I bet he's knows his stuff.

There are five Machado brothers. John's is in LA on Wilshire Blvd about 15 minutes from Rickson Gracie's shool. Jean Jacque has an academy in Torrance, two others have a school not far away, and the fifth has a school in Texas.

-: sounds like a vale tudo approach. How do you spar for that? Lots of padding, semi contact, just drills, all of the above? I'm interested in the training progression.

Try checking the competitions out. I think you'll have a better sense of what the grappling fuss is about.

Just visited LA for a couple days and visited the John Machado and Rickson Gracie schools. Both were excellent. John Machado teaches most of the classes himself in a small but clean & friendly space. The students were strong skilled and gracious. John mixed an attention to detail with the hard workout that comes from BJJ sparring. He was also personally inspiring. A strong sense of community at this dojo. The Rickson school is larger and not as open to visitors from the business end. The instructor and students were great. Precise in technique and very disciplined. A gym that seems to be a lot of work with a little play. I got to visit Gokor's shool but I didn't get to roll there. Only kids training at the time. My loss. If anyone's out in LALA land I strongly encourage you to check them out.

CKD- I understand. I too have read the ridiculous Tank Abbott would easily beat Mike Tyson because Tank's a grappler drivel. The grappling always wins all else is useless position is very pompous. It makes makes wrestlers and BJJ players sound like prostletizing morons. However, in this and the "taking kickers down post" you have swung too far the other side of the striking / grappling balance. -Claiming you can 'easily' avoid being taken down by 'simply' continuosly throwing strikes that a tough grappler will not be fast enough to capitalize on because your power,stamina, accuracy, and kick rechambering speed are so great the fight will be over in few 'seconds' - scoffing at the decision by tested masters like Insonato, Norris, Wallace, and Uriquidez' decision to solidify they're game by adding BJJ & grappling work -ignoring knockouts,ringdeath, and the physics of concusive force to support the idea that strikers power is significantly diminished by gloves in MMA competition hence their susceptiblity to takedowns Well, I truly don't think you mean for it too but it does coming off just as arrogant as the groundfighting mongers who irritate you so much. Look at Pride, UFC, King of the Cage. You have to be able to do both or you are conceding too much to you opponent. _________________ One cannot choose to be passive without the option to be aggressive. [ This Message was edited by: Punchdrunk on 2002-06-22 09:12 ]

Nothing. If those shots land great. The knees particularly. But even if they break the shooter's nose or ribs, if they don't take him out the kicker has only one leg on the ground. That's a gold mine to a wrestler, judoka, or BJJ player. The strikes can do the job. But if your kicking, particularly above the waist have a back up plan. you have a good chance of going to the ground. If Chuck Norris, Dan Insonato, Benny Urquidez, and Bill Wallace see the use in it. The debate should be closed. Gerdeau(sp?) was a hell of a kicker but Royce put him down in no time.

Taikudoka and CKD, I am not trying to be rude but have you all ever fought in anger or in a ring? Are you experienced at dealing with grapplers of any kind ? Have you ever fought full contact against another striker? I ask because CKD, there is a certain arrogance in your responses that either comes from a lot of success or a lack of first hand experience. It seems as if you have disdain for grapplers. Is that true or is it just a misunderstanding of your responses? Taikudoka, the gloves in striking arts are to protect your hands not muffle the force of the punches. Because your hands are padded you can throw more full force punches without breaking bones or causing cuts. Endings that prevent the crowd pleasing knockout. Strikers in MMA can hit with all the force they can muster. Their only disadvantage is if they don't know how to sprawl counter throw or groundfight. Again, I'm not trying to be a jerk but I want to know where you are coming from?

I've only been grappling a year and I'm far from a natural, but kicks above the waist are more an opportunity than a threat. I love it when guys try axe kicks particularly. Bang! Automatic take down. Leg kicks are a different story. However, if a limited grappler like me can pull off sweeps and reeps consistently, it can't be that hard. What were the rules of this tournemant?

That is one of the problems with headgear. Not just the slipping around, but the difficulty in seeing hooks coming or well executed kicks from the outside. I have had my nose broken twice and I still think the hooks to the side of my head that I never saw have been the most damaging. The original intent of headgear was just to protect fighters from cuts not significantly reduce concusive impact. Osu! _________________ One cannot choose to be passive without the option to be aggressive. [ This Message was edited by: Punchdrunk on 2002-02-09 10:37 ]