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Ty! Shotokan FC has a nice ring to it btw! The issue I think would be the biggest is face punches... from what I know you can throw back fist and reverse punches, and you use each technique to set up each other...I would like to see this idea get off the ground, but would hate to see people just relentlessly trying to throw haymark rights to end a fight.you right though about the it hurting your hand as much as it hurts your opponents head though!

I think it would something like this.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoTJZ9vZfb0, except fought in a continuous formant, not stopped for each point....with points being awarded for knocking down your opponent, like you would in kyokushin, knocking out you opponent, or removing their footing and succesfully following up and attacking. I also feel like points should be award and emphisized on style, As you said, your kyokushin stylist, which is a style I have a lof of respect for, very tough competition, but I don't want to see Shotokan stylist fight like kyokushin fighters, trading shots like some, not all, but a lot of fighters i've seen stand toe to toe slugging it... Not that it's a bad thing, but that's the spirit and heart of kyokushin I feel, where as shotokan stylist emphasis a different style/spirit of fighting, and I feel points should be awarded for keeping in with that tradition. Same targets apply as traditional, as well as face strikes limited to certain techniques. To pass atheletic regulations, they would probaly have to mandate the use of like 4 oz gloves like in MMA, which wouldn't be much different of an impact than bare handed and would protect the hands. Pers said quote, "So my answer to full contact Shotokan for average people like me would be NO .... they are too dangerous and can cause permanent injury to the face and body" I have to respectfully disagree about it being too dangerous. While it can be hard and damaging, shotokan has an emphisis on "one strike, one kill", you're pretty trying to use only one shot to end the fight, and not just rain down a barrage of bare knuckle blows to the face. With that in mind, punching someone barehanded to the face, isn't "too dangerous" look at bare knuckle muay thai and boxing that's still faught today, that would still be 100x more brutal and dangerous the full contact shotokan, yet the guys aren't getting killed and recieving permanent injury like you say would happen in shotokan, and they're superior punchers. Would it be more dangerous than this? I think not at all http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye_Cq_cNon0 (this video is shinken shobu kumite kyokushin rules, or kyokushin kumite with full face punches, which is something i'd love to try)

Thank you! I agree! Another reason i'm for this type of competition, is for the mental aspects. someone once told me on here "fighting/sparring in the ring is just the same as it is in the dojo or the street" and which I disagree with 100% I've done light contact sparring competition in TKD, and i've fought MMA and muay thai, and there is no way that the mindset is the same... knowing someone is going to try to crush your face or snap your arm, makes for a different mentality knowing some one is only going to try to light tap your face and chest. It's one reason of two reason I like the idea of full contact Shotokan, the first is the X factor of fear and emotion, knowing that isn't going to be some game, that you're going into a fight. That takes a different mentality, which is semi simulates the mindset (Keep in mind I said semi simulate, not 100% replicate) what would happen being confront in a street fight/self defense situation, allowing someone to be prepared better mental, knowing what to expect SOMEWHAT. and this leads into the 2nd reason, which is it would raise the confidence in knowing you own ability, and confidence in the art they practice. knowing it would work in a more realistic situation. That yourself and the style has been tried by fire and it is works when nessesary. But that's also my personal preference. I love muay thai, boxing, kyokushin, mma not because they're full contact, but because they're tested in a more realistic manner in competition, where you have to apply it with nerves on the line, with a truely resisting, aggressive opponent,the trial by fire. But that doesn't mean a full contact fight is for everyone, and that's ok, and you don't nessesarly need to fight to have self confidence or technique that works. The whole idea behind this, is giving people who want to test themselves in their particular style and rules, in a competition that's a more realistic situation then light point sparring.

Is that even legal in regular shotokan competition? direct kicks to the knees? i've never seen any Shotokan competition where you can attack the legs. I'm not sure we're on the same page, when I say "full contact" shotokan, i'm not talking anything goes, or using techniques that would be too dangerous for the ring. i'm talking about the current rules in regards to targets/striking area, and what you can strike with, with allowing of intentional knockouts, and fought in a continuous or point style, depending on your flavor. I don't see how that would be any more dangerous than muay thai or an MMA fights i've seen.

My old kickboxing coach, who is also an school Shotokan guy. I showed him and explained kyokushin type competition and this was his response was something along the lines "That's how all Karate used to be. That's how I competed during the 70's and 80's. We learned without mats" To me which is neat, and it makes it sound like it's lost something a long the way...he then goes to stat the reason he thinks modern karate schools, not just Shotokan is students parents. They complained about the lack of mats and protection gear, that how dare they train their child so hard. So in an effort to keep money/students, they softened it up to keep the income to keep the money. After doing some reach and studying old video, I do see a lot of full contact Shotokan that has happened in competition, but as you said, it's in the Dan ranks. which isn't nessesarly a bad thing, and I get why that is. I'm newish to Karate, but not muay thai/mma/ and boxing, so i'm used to something like that, just wish it was allowed in less ranks for those who want to do it.

I ask this out curiosity, but for the fellow Shotokan stylist, would be interested in doing a full contact kumite? Now, i'm NOT talking about turning Shotokan into Kyokushin. I'm talking about Shotokan rules, (no adding of leg kicks, allowing reverse punch to the face still) with emphasis on keep the fundamentals, style and philsophy of Shotokan, mostly to go with the "one strike, one kill" philosophy, but done in a more alive manner. Some of you my ask "why not just do Kyokushin"... and I have three answers to this: 1) Kyokushin is a great style, but there's no schools, at least in my area (Near cincinnati Oh), and there sure is hell no knockdown karate competition for hundreds of miles near me. But there is plenty of Shotokan competitions and schools 2) the second is test what the fundamentals of Shotokan in a more realistic/alive setting , for those who want to test it. I also think this would be a good segway for more karate stylist to get into MMA (should they choose to) and would open doors of more clients to go to a traditional karate school, while sticking to their traditions and style. 3) I know people who want to do more of a full contact style, but don't want to trade shots like kyokushin/ Oyama karate styles tend to (not that it's a bad thing, just not everyones flavor) and this Thoughts? opinions?

From: MMA.tv "Dutch Muay Thai legend and Golden Glory coach Ramon Dekkers has passed away, at the age of 43. Dekkers was reportedly riding his bike in his hometown of Breda, The Netherlands, when he began to feel light headed, and then collapsed. Attempts to revive him by onlookers and then emergency services were unsuccessful. Dekkers enjoyed a legendary career in Muay Thai, and last fought in 2006. His one foray into MMA, a fight taken on short notice vs. Genki Sudo in 2005, was not successful." This truely saddens me, dude was tough as hell, and inspiration. He will truely be missed.

I'm potentially interested in the idea of starting a martial arts event. I know this is not an easy endevor. I was wondering, from anyone who's ever done such, is there any resources you can point me to that could educate me on how to get started? Or if anyone has any personal advice on how to go about it? Like insurance and liability, promotion of the show, sponsership, ext. Just would like to know anyones personal insight and advice on this.

I'm overweight and I help instruct...it's not that i'm lazy or eat Bad, antidepressents do not help and not able to run due to a spine disease makes hard cardio difficult.

Ty so much! Id love to see it used more in mma...do you know if its legal in thaiboxing?

Anyone got any advice on doing them? im new to them...anyone have success in them in competition and self defense?

Just wondered who out there has done the GG? I'm thinking about competing this year...idk what to expect though, can someone give me some insight? Do they break it up in experience levels? Is this the same scoring style as "olympic boxing"? any info and advice would be appreicated, just hoping i'm not getting in over my head!

I'm trying to learn the techniques of it, how it was faught...i think a lot of it would be applicable to today mma bouts prehapse? I see fighters fighting the way they do in the cage like they would if they're wearing big boxing gloves.

Lol I never said I didn't respect these guys, nor did the level of fights matter... I guess i'm kinda thinking almost like "practice what you preach" idea... These are combat sports, how can you teach someone combat, if you never experienced it? I guess most of is, yeah there are great trainers who have never fought, but how do you tell a younger fighter what to expect, when you never done it yourself?

The more I think about this, the more i'm inclined to think i'm wrong about my initial post. If they can turn out good fighters it shouldn't matter.

I mean any fights... I know a muay thai instructor that has never fought once, period...and he tells me he's kru under master toddy.

Anyone have an opinion/experience with these kind of instructors? I see more and more of these as time goes on. You don't have to be a good fighter, to be a good teacher...but I think to teach something like this, requires at least a taste of what you're teaching, to understand it. specialy when it comes to cornering people, to give fighters the insight on what it's like to be in the ring. opinions?

Just wondering if anyone had information or a guide on how to fight bare knuckle boxing? I've been trying to learn about the techniques, how to fight differently with gloves and without gloves, ext. I also found this, which I find neat. It shows the similarites in techniques between Bare Knuckle boxing and Karate, which I find very neat. http://shotokankarate-magpie.blogspot.com/2009/10/old-bare-knuckles-boxing-and-karate_15.html

Anyone got an opinion of this? It's kyokushin with face punches. I just suprised it's not more popular. I would love to find a tournament to do this!

Curious as to why no sparring?

So why did you get into martial arts, and why did you choose the style you did? For me, it started after getting violently attacted at 14-15 years old, and I wanted to learn how to hurt someone, not nessesarly for self defense. I had bad intentions, and wanted to learn to fight to get even. I eventually got over that young and angry phase in life, but still loved to compete, and wanted to fight competively. I always was fascinated by MMA, but didn't know which style, way to go...Standing or Jiu jitsu? That was until I seen Wanderlei Silva fight, and then I decided muay thai was for me, and have been doing that until recently. I've decided to reinvent myself as a martial artist/fighter.... start over from scratch, open my mind up to new ideas, style, techniques, and now i'm doing Shotokan Karate, and hopefully going to learn more traditional boxing. I still want to compete kickboxing and now knockdown karate, but due to health (i have pretty bad degenerative disk disease) I can't really grapple much anymore. So that's my story. What's yours?

The biggest thing i've learned with cross training is this: When learning a new art, try to learn the STYLE...learn the principles, the basics, the movements while doing it. Don't try to modify it with your art,with what you know while still learning it the basic of your new style. That was my problem. I was trying to "muay thai-ize" my Shotokan, mostly cause of habbits, and what I knew is efficant. As I started to understand Shotokan more, I started adapting to the style, it started to "click" and I stopped trying to adapt my style to it...my instructor taught me a good point: There is nothing wrong with blending the two style, but you have to understand both styles, before you can combine them.

I think this is great! I wanted to do something similar for troubled youth...my opinion is make them keep up a certain GPA and sign a code of conduct, that they will stay on the right track.

You're right. Thank you!

Was watching reruns of Human Weapon, and I came across the savate episode... was wondering if anyone had any training in this? I'm not personaly impressed by the style, it looked like boxing combined with point karate, but i'm trying to keep and open mind. Is there is any techniques that you've found to be effective? one thing I did see, and we'd do a variation of in muay thai, is what they call the "chasse bas" which I think should be very effective in both full contact and street self defense.