TJS

I think we all know where I stand here, so I won't inflame the situation further. If you want to compete and pay top dollar doing it, I'm sure Guy Mezger and his crew would be happy to accomodate you.

So you know Guy Mezgers going rate? Do you know what % of his students compete? or are you speaking out of complete ignorance on the situation?

sasori- te, you seem to be way off base...

Mezger is a former UFC competitor trading on his 15 minutes of fame

Wrong Guy Mezger is a King of Pancrase, UFC torunamnet Winner and a world champion Kickboxer. He is proabably in the top 10 in the world today in his weight class.

You seem to be under the impression that a world class NHB school wont be able to offer "Self defense" to someone looking for it.

Guy Mezger has a black belt in karate and well as extensive kickboxing and grappling knowladge...I bet he can get some descent training there.

MMA stlye training can be effective even if you dont plan on competing..besides as i said earlier he offers Karate and kickboxing classes aswell.

There are a few Machado Jiu jitsu school's in the area i belive.

Guy Mezger also runs a lions den out there...they offer karate, kickboxing, and submission grappling classes...that would proabably be your best bet.

When people fight they get adrenaline coursing their system. One of the effects of adrenaline is tunnel vision. You are just as vulnerable to an attack from an outside party if you're standing or on the ground. I've seen plenty of people trading blows with one person and then get his from behind.

Right, there are of course ways to teain people to be aware of their surrounding and otehr threats. but your right most people dont train that way and it's hard not to get tunnel vision especialy if your in a tough fight.

I completly disagree with this..

In my opinion striking is ususally a better weapon to defend yourself with because you can control how hard you hit a person and even if you hit them softly it still can stun or just annoy them.

Grappling gives you alot more tools if you dont want to hurt someone, You can take them down and achieve a dominat postition or there are plenty of restraints/pins/locks etc like you see in judo,aikido or policework.

You dont have to break peoples arms in most cases, the avg person who is just upset will calm down from pain complience most likley. You also dont have to choke someone out for it ot be effective...If you have someone in a choke and let go right before they go out it's going to slow them down and stun them.

I dont think I would hit someone soft to "Stun" them. If it is to the point where I feel in enough danger that i have to hit someone then im going to hit them hard and not stop until they are down.

Now as Far as self defense situations go I belive Striking is generally a better option but not for that reason. However as Andrew green pointed out there isint a clear cut line between the two.

Karateka won via Stoppage in the 3rd round. I didint get to see the fight but I hear he got knocked down with a reverse punch in the 3rd.

Supposed to have been a pretty good fight until then.

You really must consider the rules of a tournament, for they 'do' favor one system over another. K-1 competitions were created to give 'strikers' a reasonable chance in a competition, and it was created after grappling systems were showing irrefutable dominance in the UFCs. In a way, it was born due to the need for 'saving face' (my opinion, mind you).

Um yea...obviously it for Striking not grappling so a grappler would not do well. It was created so people could see various standup stlyes compete against each other....There have been grappling tournaments for a long time and obviously a striker wouldent do well in one of those.

Just out of curiosity, what makes you say he's a "foney" (phoney is the correct spelling, by the way)?

Because he calls every top fighter or martial artist a phoney and says he can beat them all up.

i hope he wins i'm sick of this bjj is the best style in the world while karate, kung fu, etc. sucks. he should proceed to k -1 mixed martial arts venue after he wins so he can teach them a lesson.

or not.

yea, good point diffrent parts of the world offer diffrent threats that martial artist should prepare for.

Like you said Here in the U.S. Wresling is in just about every high school/junior high so you should prepare for the obvious threat of someone taking you down.

Key lock is simple and effective

Straight arm bar is good put if you dont get it you will loose position.

I like to go for an arm triangle choke personally.

there are also a few neck cranks/chokes.

If i were you I would use the key lock and get good at it.

No way Rickson takes out Kimura. Unless he studied Judo in depth.

one word, RNC.

Man you got it figured out, You should go Challenge mark Kerr or Mark coleman and make a name for yourself.

 

I assume you mean to a street fight, not to a NHB match.

 

OTOH, do you do an art that you think is more complete than boxing? When will you be fighting Mike Tyson?

 

Perhaps a given individual does not need to be able to defeat another in order to have a better idea. There is certainly something to be said for size, strength, speed, endurance, skill level and experience.

I was simply commenting on the fact that amp made it seem as if takedowns and any sort of grappling were easily countered by crotch biting and scratching.

I wouldent make a claim like "oh all you have to do is kick a boxer in the legs and you can beat any of them" While it's definetly possibel to play that game with a boxer it would depend on who could "play their game".

Rules and gloves not a good combination for a Wing Chun man.

Dont make excuses before the poor guy even fights

rules and gloves aren't good for anyone.

 

y'know, i caught some of the previous fights here (including the gary turner win).

 

there was a boxer who got demolished because he was unable to deal with low kicks....

 

just cos i'm too lazy to look them up, what are k1 rules?

K-1 rules allow

-punches

-kicks to the body, head and legs

-No elbows

-Knees are allowed but you are not allowed to clinch for an extended period like in MT.

Personally, i am not a fan of wrestling at all, or any type of ground fighting etc. But i definately think that groundfighting is probably the most effective style out there, ive been think ing about this alot. Everytime i watch king of the cage or UFC or pride fighting, everythign almost ends on the floor. The other day i was watching Mirko CroCop fight an opponent which knows jiu jitsu. Anyway Mirko was killing him so badly with his legs, punches etc. then all of a sudden this guy knocks Mirko to the flor, gets his hand in a rall bad position and Mirko had to tap out, he lost for nothing, it just shows you that a good jiu jitsu fighter doesnt even have to know any punching, kickin etc techniques, all he needs is his ground techniques, once he charges at you and knock you down he will most liekly win. What do you guys think?

 

In the UFC, you can't hit in the crotch or the eye. If you're taking someone down and they're in a lot of pain, a fingernail right in the middle of your eye slicing tissue will make most people let go fast and take them out for a long time. Anyone who's gotten tagged in the crotch knows how bad that hurts. Imagine thinking you've got the guy in a really good lock and getting your crotch chomped on hard. People will bite, scratch, tear, and claw when you grapple them. Above all, concrete hurts a lot.

 

Don't get close to a desperate losing man.

Man you got it figured out, You should go Challenge mark Kerr or Mark coleman and make a name for yourself.

There has been some Talk and discussion of WC competing in the Ring and how god or bad it would do. Obviously one fight wont settle anything but a WC Practicioner will be competing in K-1 kickboxing soon.

K-1 Battle of Britain 2004

 

K-1 04 will be staged at Wolverhampton Civic Hall on the 22nd February. SFUKer, Gary Turner will be the first Heavyweight K-1 UK Champion to defend his title. K1 has also thrown in UFC veteran, UK MMA champ and undefeated boxer, James Zikic into the mix. Karate v Kung Fu under K-1 Rules. Karate athlete, Paul Newby will face Wing Chun Specialist Kasim Khan. Khan is eager to prove that Wing Chun can also be used in a competitive situation in the K-1 ring. Tickets are available from the Civic Hall Box Office 01902 552 121. Channel 5 will broadcast K-1 Battle of Britain 2003 on the 9th and 16th February. 4 February 2004

I think RB means you can attempt to begin a submision while standing and then take them to the ground as long as it isint dangerous.

Because im pretty sure Johnny is right about the standup part.

Has any one taken a look at Bas Rutten's big book of Combat? It looks neat, but the two books cost a bit of change; so I'd like to know what others think of it.

If you have a training partner they can be a great resource, they have alot of good info in them.

hey everyone ive been thinking about looking into taking some muay thai kickboxing. Ive got karate and kick boxing experience when it comes to stand up. Anything i should know about the thai kickboxing that i should know about before enrolling in it?

Be prepared for alot of conditioning and have fun.