TJS

would hardly say that I would find myself in a situation against grapplers where 99% of my striking skills wouldn't work.

If you have ever been mounted (especially by a skilled grappler) it's vey difficult to strike back with anything effective..especially without exposing yourself to more danger.

Sure a good striker can do damage with elbows and knees from the top but If you fighting a grappler then it's not very likely that you will be on top now is it?

I would agree with Sohan:

If you just want to grapple, fine, but it may not be enough for street defense.

Grappling/BJJ/Judo is all awesome (and I wish that there was a good judo school around where I am, I would love to try it sometime), but if you are looking for self-defense skills, you should look past just grappling. Even though it will definately help you on the street, there are situations where you would be vastly better off if you had some experience in a fighting art, such as Karate, Muay Thai, Kung-Fu, etcetera. Preferably Karate .

There are proabably just as many situations where you would be vastly better off with grappling experience..like if you got tackled and 99% of your karate/muay thai whatever didint work anymore since your on your back.

The obvious answer is you need both..there are times and situations where each are useful and good to know.

How much standing stuff do they do in BJJ?

Depends on the school but if they are teaching you sd then they will proabably teach you how to escape basic standing bearhugs/chokes/headlocks etc..aswell as takedowns and takedown defenses.

Both are good. Personally I would start with mt.

depends on the severity of a situation. generally Speaking I woudl stick to chokes in a fight because you can end it without causting any real damage. But once again If the situation was elevated and I was fighting for my life I would have no problem breaking a limb.

I'm not referring to anything that influenced it over the years. I'm talking about it's origin. It's origin is judo, not jjj.

A child is from it's mother..that does not mean it IS it's mother. being FROM somethign and BEING somethign are alightly different.

Being able to fight from your back gives you confidence to fight from any other position. The goal Of BJJ is to get the takedown and end up in top position if possible. The gaurd is considered "the best of the worst positions"

1. technically, bjj is judo. That is where is came from. Sure, judo is a jjj offshoot, but bjj is judo.

No it isint judo. It is similar and shares many techniques but has evolved into its own stlye with completly diffrent strategies/goals and training meathods. Not to mention that It has been influenced by stlyes such as wrestling and sambo over the years...more so than judo.

I will second that you dont have to get hurt in MT, yea it can be rough and u can get banged up but If you go to thailand they train very hard with few injuries so they can fight often.

I will be going For Royce Gracie But if I had to bet my money would be on hughes.

I belive you can train both at the same time. You will proabably start to favor one and when that occurs you can devote more time to that stlye and just keep the other sharp. Thats my advice.

Just about every finish I know could kill or seriously hurt someone yet I compete in tournaments all the time.

Dont get caught up in the whole "too deadly for competiton" theme. When it comes down to it a simple RNC can end a persons life in a matter of seconds or minutes but you can train full force with it on a day to day basis.

As far as effective Standup grappling my best advice would be judo, sambo, or Greco roman wrestling. Combine it with a muay thai clinch and you have some effective clinch striking.

Ottman-where did you get a green belt in bjj? As far as i know the only green belts in BJJ would be for kids.

2 things-1st Royce is going to be fine conditioning wise for 3x5 minute rounds..the guy has fought for an hour and a half against sakuraba.

Also In an interview recenty Pat militech hinted that Matt is proabably working hard on his slams/takedown and he wants to prove a point by submitting royce.

If hughes is smart he will keep it standing because royce really does lack KO power...hughes issint a phenom on his feet but he has some solid kickboxing skills.

Bas Rutten has some good books and videos on striking.

It's a bit late but just for the record Ryoto Machida was a BJJ purple belt under Ricardo De la riva as of 2003-2004..so I would assume he is atleast at or near brown belt these days.

just food for though.

Royce knows he is in for a challenge..thats why he took this fight because of all the people doubting him and saying he cant hang with the new breed.

Honestly I think the burden is on Hughes in this fight. If you look at it realistically If hughes wants to take Royce down over and over again and do enough for a decision royce isint going to be able to stop him.

I will be impressed if Hughes actually knocks him out of submitts him..If he dosent then it's going to be hard to prove anything.

Royce Gracie Has a book called "superfit" thats the first one that comes to mind.

Damn, not being allowed to stand at all sucks. So you think JJJ is better?

If it's a good BJJ school they will tach you some standing techniques and takedowns..but yea the general focus will be ground fighting

BJJ competition starts from standing, so I would really imagine that most schools teach takedowns.

sadly there are still quite a few that still dont really practice takedowns. But like I said they are getting better and most schools these days incorperate more of them.

honestly neither Judo or BJJ will help you much in wrestling competitions.

Both however will make you a better grappler especially when applied to submission wrestling or mma.

Damn, not being allowed to stand at all sucks. So you think JJJ is better?

If it's a good BJJ school they will tach you some standing techniques and takedowns..but yea the general focus will be ground fighting

Yes- they go well together. They are very similar but also very diffrent...Each one fills in the weaknesses of the other and does it in a similar enough manner that they integrate well.

Well first off I do think Ryoto is a good fighter and has beaten some good guys but he still hasant been really tested by any of the top fighters at 205lb's such as Liddell, Tito, Silva, shogun, overeem, belfort etc.

But thats not even the point of debate, this is-

Many people will use UFC, etc. results to say grappling and/or mixed arts are superior, and this is simply not true.

There is a falacy in your statement. First off as we established Ryoto is not a pure Karateka and obviously cross trains in other styles. Secondly he is obviously a better fighter for doing so. If he had never studied any grappling, groudfighting or wrestling he certainly would not have submited any opponets and would have likely fallen prey to a submission..especially against BJ penn since they were one the ground for some time.

The bottom line is you are saying mixing styles is not superior when it is. Ryoto is better than he would be if he trained only in karate and never cross trained.

Hey shotokan beginner,

Do not let anybody discourage you from inmersing yourself in the study of traditional shotokan. Many people will use UFC, etc. results to say grappling and/or mixed arts are superior, and this is simply not true.

In fact, look up a fighter named Ryoto Machida. He is a pure shotokan practicioner who won the International Traditional Karate Federation Pan-american Championships (jiyu kumite, JKA style) in 2001. A very strong karateka, he decided to try his luck at MMA fighting. In his 6-7 fights he is unbeaten, and his wins include knockouts of UFC middleweight champion Rich 'Ace' Franklin (he knocked Franklin out cold) and standout Stephan Bonnar, as well as a decision win over submission artist and Matt Hughes' conqueror, B.J. 'The prodigy' Penn. I've seen his fights, and he fights like a shotokan karateka, out of a senkutzu dachi, etc.

So, there you have it, for those who say a traditional karateka cannot make it in mixed martial arts...

best!

Gero

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Nidan-Traditional Shotokan

Do you honetly belive Machida is a pure karate stylist? Maybe the karate schools in brazil have submissions, wrestling and groundfighting in them...either that or he has trained extensively in other stlyes..

Who said you cant come from a karate background and be sucessful..there are plenty of guys who train karate(mostly Kyokushin) at on point...semmy schilt, Bas Rutten, GSP etc. None of them are pure karate practicioners though and neither is Ryoto..he has very capable wrestling and jiu jitsu and has even won fights by submission...btw penn's heaviest fighting weight should be 155-170..Ryoto is like 215..So I wouldent really uses that one to talk about his skill,specially since it was a close fight and Ryoto couldent finish him.

He smiled and said he never taps.

Hopefully he was joking..but passing out before tapping in a training session is a bit much..sometimes ego can hinder your training.