HongKongFooey

If a student asks you for permission to train in another system and you tell the student no, but the student trains in the other system anyway, what do you do and why?

A person with that attitude is probably never going to have to be busted down to white. Meaning?

Yes respect goes a long way, but it is also a two way street. I respect the guys that I train with and learn from because they are good people, not because they have a black belt. Even if I no longer had the desire to train with them, we would still be friends. When I cross train it will be more of "hey check this cool stuff out" as opposed to "please can I train with this guy too?" Rank in the martial arts world only means something in the martial arts world. Martial arts is not my religion, and I refuse to call another man master.

It is pretty funny how some people become totally subservient to their martial arts instructor, like they are some kind of demigod. This isn't feudal Japan. What you do in your free time is your business. No one should have to ask permission, nor should anyone expect groveling, just because they happen to teach a martial art.

Some people believe that rank in Karate school actually means anything. The instructor can take the student's belt, but he can't take away what was learned.

You're right about your bible verse. I think that there is confusion about what "serve" means. I believe that money can be considered a "master" too. The more I think about it the less I worry about it. I think that God understands the whole thing a lot better than I do and I believe that he is more worried about other things that I may do moreso than my karate Exactly!

I was quoting a Ninja movie from the early 80's when I said "ONLY A NINJA CAN KILL A NINJA!!". Some people believe that.

ONLY A NINJA, CAN KILL A NINJA!!

I don't know why people let religion get in the way of an activity they enjoy. Is it guilt? Fear? Someone help me to understand, here.

You wouldn't happen to be in Baltimore would you? I am from Maryland, and there is a Kat Sho Du place on Howard Street in Baltimore, if I am not mistaken. I don't know much about the place. I have always wondered what they teach there. Dave

Barney the annoying purple dinosaur. Then I'd kick the Tele Tubbie's collective behinds. After I rid the kiddie world of the mindless icons they have forced down their throats, I'll take out Darth Vader.

Yes, there are some in the Kenpo world, especially in the American Kenpo world, that tend to subsitute fast slappy moves for hard power shots that require proper body mechanics. I blame the Perfect Weapon. Ever since that scene in the TKD gym, everyone wants to launch 50 thousand flailing slaps at 500 miles per hour. Speed will come in time. Proper mechanics and lots of basics practice is more inportant than the thousand mile per hour slap.

Yes, I did see the Contender. It was a pretty good show. Most people aren't intrested in martial arts. They want to see people doing 720 spin kicks and fools hanging from wires shooting chi blasts from their hands. Most people wouldn't recognize a real martial art if they were side kicked in the head. Spike has a hit with the Ultimate Fighter. It would be nice if there were a similar show with other Martial Arts.

I agree with you, Jay. But, I doubt that the general public would give it second notice. The damage has already been done with all of the martial nonsense out there.

Okay, let's examine some things: traditional styles: history, kata, weapons, numerous punches, numerous kicks, bunkai, iron palm / makiwara training, sparring, calesthenics, etc. boxing: six predominant punches, roadwork, calesthenics, shadowboxing, mitts/bags, lots of sparring traditional training has more segments than boxing. even given that the boxer trained 2-3 days a week, he'd still get proficient faster than the traditional guy because his training is more focused and more repetitious. Also, many traditional styles spend more time on forms than they do on application. boxers through their drills are able to do both at the sime time - efficiency. -- true thats why most schools, teach there students forms peace by peace so that they can also show them what the moves are suppose to do aswell, atleast thats what mines does. we also have to no what a moves does/suppose to do, and show how it works when we test for a different rank in order to pass. UseoForce Posted: 13th April 2006 Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This question is addressed in Mastering Jujitsuy by Renzo Gracie. Knowing all the deadly techniques in the world doesn't mean dirt if you can't apply them against a resisting partner or opponent. Boxing techniques might not seem as "deadly" as many Eastern martial art techniques, but they CAN be applied against a resisting person. OMG, read Mastering Jujitsu people! 1.) i never said a boxer was not deadly ( just look at mike tyson ) 2.) but.. um.. i dont study jujitsu it seems like some of u are taking sides over which styles of fighting better. i have heard many people say all the things martial arts dose not do, or things that martial arts dose not do or teach aswell to there students as boxing gyms do. but yet almost all of u ( good 70-80%) are studying a traditional style martial arts youreselfs, or atleast thats what it says by most of ur profiles. but are acting like boxing is better than all of are styles or something. it seems like atleast one person whould want to stick up for there style or something, or say the positive things that there style teaches that u may not be able to learn in any McDojo, local YMCA and/or a random boxing gym. anybody..... PEACE I don't think that boxing is better, but I do think that most people in boxng gyms train in a more realistic fashion than most people who train in a karate dojo. The comment was made that martial artists can deliver a killing blow, with any part of their body. How often are those weapons utilised in an average training session? How many people do you know that whine when contact is made during a workout? Look at the sparring in most schools. It's tippy tap, no or light contact. People in these schools aren't allowed to punch to the face, can't kick to the knees or groin. No sweeps, throws or takedowns are allowed, let alone their dim mak chi blast. How is that helping someone defend themselves? Why learn "killing blows" if they can't be applied against the proper targets? My art is American Kenpo. We work our self defense with contact sometimes very hard contact. When we spar, we hit hard and don't stop after a strike lands. All targets are open except for the throat. Our techniques are designed to be practiced with a certain amount of force, to understand the princible behind the move. Though, not all American Kenpo schools are like that. Some are just like the schools I described earlier in my post, including my previous school. In todays Martial Arts school, money is he first priority. You have tippy tap champions that couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. Musical forms, and XMA. Throw in the seven year old 3rd Dans, then you start to understand why most martial artists are not taken seriously. This is not meant to be a slam against anyone posting to this thread. Rant over. HKF

Thats funny I can actually see you there with a headset on taking drive-thru blackbelt orders Order now and get the Gi patch absolutely free!! LOL! WOW! LOOK AT THIS! A FREE CHI BLASTER WITH A MCNINJA MEAL!

Yes, I know that Kenpo is Chinese, but the major systems of Kempo are either Japanese or Okinawan styles. Think of RyuKyu Kempo, Shorin-ji Kempo, Kosho Ryu Kempo, etc... William Chow was Ed Parker's teacher. Chow was also a student of James Mitose, who taught Kosho Ryu Kempo. Chow changed the spelling to an "N" to set his brand of Kenpo apart from what he had learned from Mitose, which was basically Japanese Karate. Chow re-introduced the Chinese influence into the Kenpo he taught to Parker. Ed parker kept the same spelling as Chow to show that his Kenpo was Chinese influenced, not Japanese.

That may be true for he spelling of the word, but not for the application. The Japanese or Okinawan systems of Kempo are nothing like the systems of Kenpo that Ed Parker introduced in the US. The use of the "N" instead of the "M" by Chow and Parker, was deliberate.

Of the four systems listed, I would pick jujitsu. It would compliment kenpo very well. My second choice would be Muay Thai.

How old are you? A score to settle?

Forget the killing blow nonsense, the Dragon Ball Z chi blast, and the mystical garbage that people try to assign to martial arts. Boxing is given respect because it lacks those traits. That, and the fact that boxers learn to take and give hard shots standing toe to toe with their opponet, in a realistic environment. No tippy tap point sparring in the boxing gym. Martial arts schools(mine included) teach self defense. There is a big difference between escaping from a headlock and standing toe to toe and trading shots with someone intent on hurting you.

No, not yet. I am planning on attending a seminar in the near future. We do Spreading Branch, Intellectual Departure and Agressive Twins. Of the 3 Intellectual departure is the hardest in my opinion. Aggressive Twins is just like Alternating Mace, but with the feet. Our Yellow Belt goes like this. Delayed Sword Sword of Destruction Deflecting Hammer Grasp of Death/ Pincher Checking the Storm Attacking Mace Mace of Aggression Spreading Branch Intellectual Departure Aggressive Twins Short 1 Star Block. I gotta go. Off to Class. Talk with you Later. Dave[/b]

GOOG POST BAT!

Zero. We pay nothing for belt tests. HKF

Hey Parker, I'm not quite that advanced, yet! I am actually starting over from the beginning at white belt. I was in Kenpo in the 90's and made it to purple, but had to quit. Life threw some curves and I wasn't able to get back into it for about 12 years. I found the school that I currently attend by chance. It is the only Parker/Planas lineage school in all of Maryland. There are only about 5-6 students to 3 instructors. Lots of personal attention. We do a version of the 16 techniques system, but like your school, don't do the extensions. My instructors were part of Jeff Speakman's AKKS, but switched to Huk's group. I think it is a very good move. I am relearning everything, but it is worth it. I am learning it the way it should be taught. Just going over short 1 has been eye opening. I didn't learn about torque and double factors at my last school. It's ashame. I may not be able to talk about the more advanced things but am willing to discuss whatever topics that you like. I look forward to talking with you. Drop me an email or a PM if you like. HKF