Dustin1978

Okay I have been reading up on the art via the web and I like how it is based greatly around a very passive attitude. My question is this. If it is 100 % defensive can it be adapted to be used in another way? Example..... I am at a party and some drunk idiot tries to start a fight with a friend of mine. My friend cannot defend himself and needs my help. The drunk guy has not physically attacked me but I want to help. A) Would stepping in and going "offensive" be wrong by aikido standards because I myself was not in any danger? B) Would aikido teachings help me in this situation? I understand it has a lot to do with not confronting someones oncoming attack directly but more to dodge and throw them off balance so is 100 % of aikido based on ONLY if someone is coming directly at you? Would I be able to use some of the arm throws or locks to go offensive so to speak to stop someone from attacking someon else? Sorry My posts always get so long.

yeah check them both out kinda goes without saying but I was just wondering what might be more suited for my goal. I realize I left this out in my first post I want to be envolved in an art that will prove to be effective on the street and in "real" situations. I DO understand that nobody can be an expert in a month or even years or decades or life times even but I want something that would be easier to apply quicker so I am leaning towards the Judo. ANyway just thought I would add that Thanks guys for any additional info. Also I still was wondering How exactly Judo Difers from TJJ. thankx for any info!

Okay guys and gals. As you may recall I was thinking of going to the traditional Jui Jitsu but in the new town I moved to the aprtment I ended up getting is WAY on the other side of town. A block from my place I have a martial arts center that teaches Aikido, Judo, and some form of karate. Anyway I do want to get into a grappling art so I am now leaning toward Judo BUT I am hoping it isnt more towards the sport aspect where ass they train ways to get points and not actualy joint breaking dislocating Street moves like the Juijitsu may have. Also I was told here that Aikido would most likely take at elast a year before it would be of any benfit in a "real" situation. Also The aikido From what I understand you kind of have to wait for someone to grab or strike at you to do much. But man the throws and joint locks look TIGHT in aikido. The Judo I am thinking would be better as it has offence and good defense. Does Judo have strikes like TJJ? Thanks all for advice!

The only difrence is BJJ took EVERYTHING IT IS from TJJ. They only learned a small portion of TJJ and then did expand on it but it is more of a sport version of TJJ. TJJ has strikes as well and also they take the time to teach how to fall properly and many other things before you start randori (free play) thus reducing injuries. BJJers boast how many people get injured in their gyms like this is some proof of their style being more "real". While it is good I will say that there are more injuries because they just let people enter off the street untrained just start going at it. And while yes it might help you learn quicker for a real fight I must say that if your brak your arm in the first month it is going to slow you WAY down in the learning process. and as far as BJJers going againt resisting opponents this is what TJJ is ALL ABOUT. Almost all belts (after the initial ones) the tests are free style wrestling to show you know your moves and your oponent is FULLY resisting. I know my spelling sucks but I just wanted to impart what little I know. Later

Thank you I will try it!

was that comment geared towards me and my defense of the art of Aikido while at the same time poking fun at the BJJers? or was it to the original guy saying Aikido was pathetic? Just want to know if I broke any rules

before you get all mad cavalera let me just say that yes all the gracies could wup me to a pulp (even though they swing liek girls) hehe I was just making a point

cavalera, Why would you make such a comment? That is highly disrespectful to those that DO practice Akido. I would hope that you might be more open minded in the future or at very least respectful of all arts. If you are so against all the other arts then why are you posting in General? Maybe you belong in the Jiu-Jitsu/Grappling Martial Arts Posting section. From what I have seen Aikido is a VERY impressive and fluid art. I do agree that it would be good to cross train to get some striking skills but you as a BJJ cannot critisize striking skills as all your gracies swing like girls in the ring. (last comment not meant to be disrespctful to women but you all know what I mean)

Hey guys and gals. Like you all probably know I have decided to take JuJitsu once i get moved up to my new location. From what I understand there is no solo forms such as there are in Karate or kung fu styles so how do they test? I am assuming it is some sort of wrestling (Randori)? If so is it against a person of equal or grater experience? Higher belt rank than yourself? Is it a full out free style match to see if you can execute the techniques you have been tought or is it simple performing the moves on a non resistant partner? I know there is some striking and so on but I do not think there will be any breaking in belt progression. Also is it usually up in front of the class all alone with everyone watching or is it usually a group test? The last kung fu school I was in was very easy because the Sifu would just watch and promote you to the next sash when he felt you were ready with no tests at all! Karate in my childhood days was also easy just perfoming the katas. Anyway Any advice would be great! Thanks Friends!

WOW i bet! Do you yourself have bad or no vision in one eye or are you saying you have trained with people who are lackign depth perception? I am not sure I would even attempt weapons training for fear of hurting one of my class mates. I mean chances are everyone will have bumps and bruises which is fine but I wouldn't want to break someones nose with a stick to the face Hmmmmm But weapons training would be fun!

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Yes that is a very good point! I will obsess on my martial arts training! SOunds good to me You rock! Thanks much!

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well she used terms i was not familiar with. like asian words. she said that the BJJ creators stuidied the (somthing) and took from ti what they liked and only really studied the grapling. I am not too sure about the Aikido

From what the Sensei at The JuJitsu place said is that both Aikido and BJJ came from this particular art of JuJitsu. But I guess that is not to say that this style has ALL of what both those arts offer. From what she said was that BJJ took the training and specialized in only the grappling and they train almost no striking at all (if any) and also that BJJ schools do not teach the low level students how to roll and break fall properly and that BJJ school tend to have a LOT more injury in class. She Also said something to the affect of Aikido. While it may have come from this art it did specialize in the throws and so on so I am sure it does have al ot more power and specilization in the throws and joint locks and maybe redirecting power and the smooth flow and so on. I am thinking that the Danzan Ryu kodenken JuJitsu would be well rounded and cool for self defence though. I looked it up and it s recognized by all the authorities on the subject and the school in Chico is nationaly registered and it all looks very legit and non McDojo yeah right now the kuk sul do is out cause i think it is more of a striking art. but I am still up in the air between aikido and JuJitsu. Also can Aikido be used for the offensive? or is it PURELY defensive in nature? Like if I am in a situation where a guy is bigger than me and I KNOW for a fact he is going to swing sooner or later I would rather make the first blow and just take him out (if possible)

Hey Kensai, It is funny you mention this because if you remember me postign way back Aikido was originally the first thing I was looking into for when I get up there. I like that the jujitsu has some striking in it and they say they teach almost all joint locks and throws of aikido as well. Hmmmm I guess at this point I should just wait until I can observe classes I also like how jujitsu would help me get a better self defense system much quicker (i think)

Thanks guys yeah the JuJitsu is pretty much what I am settled on. I justwanted to post that link because there were a few arts and dojos I have neverh eard of and didn't want to miss out on anything extraordinary

Hey everyone. As you might all know I have been bouncing between what art to start. I am not yet in the area but will be moving there in 30 days (at which time I can observe classes). The main three I am considering are #1 Danzan Ryu (kodenken) JuJitsu #2 Aikido #3 Kuk Sul Do Here is a link to the internet yellow pages with everything that my area offers. Please let me know what you guys think. Like if anything stands out that you would jump at. My goal is learning something that can help me to be more self confident and safe fairly quick but at the same time will be a fun life time commitment The Danzan Ryu JuJitsu is not on the list but I know it is there. It is just glitched right now. http://www.smartpages.com/directory/search.jhtml?DirectoryVerified=Butte&CityVerified=Chico&StateVerified=CA&DirectoryStateVerified=CA&AreaCodeVerified=&ZipVerified=&HeadingCodeVerified=8009225&HeadingDesc=Martial+Arts+Instruction&LocType=11&QueryString=martial+arts&AddressChoice=&Radius=2&QueryType=1&DirAvail=false&From=&ClearLevel=HeadingValidation&TotalRows=0&listingid=&Tag=recreation Wow that is one LONG link lol I hope it took. So if you have time please click the link and then let me know what ya think. They also have a few Kenpo schools that cought my eye. Also below is a link to my current choice unless i hear anythign difrent http://chicokodenkan.com/ Thanks all for any help or advice you can give. Oyeah I want a lot of joint locks, take downs, and throws

Thanks again for the great encouragment So ramymensa where about are you from? I am in northern CA and will soon be starting Danzan Ryu JuJitsu or Kodenken as it is called. I have tried american Karate as a child and loved it until I realized I wasn't learnign anything usefull. I then when on to try northern Long Fist kung fu but I question my Sifus legitimacy because he wouldnt let us spar or anything and I want more hands on PRACTICLE knowledge I know when I was taking the kung fu my anxiety levels went way way down and I could even hold a job But it was not what I wanted as a self defense style. Anyway yeah good to meet ya.

Thanks guys and girls you are super inspiring! I thank you for all the links and kind words! I will give it my all! BlueDragon1981 On a side note you stated Its the mental ailments that are hard to defeat. I am diagnosed Obsessive compulsive disorder and Sever anxiety disorder This is one of the reasons I am taking up MAs to build confidence and get a good work out to releave some anxiety and help learn to control my breathing so as not to hyperventalate durign a panic attack I have like panic if I go far from home or go anywhere I feel trapped. For my first few classes (until I am comfrotable) I will most likely have to take .25 klonopin (a benzodiazapine) (tranquilizer) just to sit through the class. I hope it doesnt hinder my reflexes too much. So I got the lack of depth perception and some phycological issues but these challenges will simply make the end result all the sweeter Thanks again you guys for all the encouragment and good advice. I NEEDED THAT!

I lost an eye back when I was liek 17 and I am now 24. I am about to start Danzan Ryu (kodenken) Jujitsu and was wondering how having no depth percetion will affect my training... Like I am thinking with JuJitsu it shouldnt be so bad because of the hands on wrestling but Man for blocking incoming blows or quickly grabbing hands and arms it might be hard. ANyone have one eye or know any big name martial artists with one eye? Thanks for any words of encouragment

Okay so he tought boxing skills? So? I still do not see where your comment came from. Nobody in thsi ever growign thread ever suggested that bruce was the first to teach westerners Boxing AS WE ALREADY KNEW IT! MAYBE THIS IS WHY IT IS CALLED WESTERN BOXING!

Boxing skills? WTF are you talking about!? HE tought kung Fu you moron. Please at least try to be a little informed before making such idiotic statement.

Yeah but much of what he is remembered for is not that he was the greatest ever butrather that he went againt everything he had been tought to bring a martial art that was uknown to we the Americans and for that and that alone is the reason that I for one respect him a great deal.

there is video of him at a martial arts seminar sparing wth the pads like you apparently love and he kicked ass proving his jeet kun do (no set form) MA does work. I have never studied Jeet Kuen Do nore do I idolize Bruce but he DOES deserve respect and there IS video of him showing his stuff. Watch some documentaries on it before you critisize. Hey I have never seen video of Gangus Kahn Knocking someones head of with an axe but I sure as hell wouldnt wanna fight him I would however enjoy watching you try your hand at him