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Actually, Cheung refused to fight several times. He was trying to hide the fight from his students. Emin first tried to get instruction (determinedly did every technique wrong) and when he didn't get any instruction but "good, you're doing okay" he yelled his challenge. Cheung tried to say "after class" but Emin said "no, now" and that's how it started. Nobody was jumped.

Very good. I was just trying to find the best one of the given options. Of course there are always better options if money, time, and distance are no obstacles. From the given choices I'd take BJJ. That's my point. Treebranch: BBT is great. I tried it once and I regret that I can't do it any more.

The best thing said here so far.

Shorin Ryuu, you are very right. The reason why the Japanese arts begin with defences against a wrist grab is because they needed to defend against someone preventing them from drawing the sword. This is another reason why you absolutely must know the history of your art to know why you do certain things the certain way (i.e. why certain arts always start with the ridiculous (in modern street mind) wrist grab defences) and so on. Excellent point.

The same thing. Just different way to translitterate the language. One is correct, other is incorrect, but both are okay as far as fighting arts usage is concerned.

Exactly!

Well, not to stir any arguments, but IN MY HUMBLE OPINION the best testimony to WC is the fight between WT Mr. E and WC. Grandmaster C. The clip shows all there is to see about WC.

You make a very valid point. In my country, several well known Korean men have started their own organizations (even one own "art") that most people laugh at (they are really ridiculous, if you only knew the stuff they have pulled off during the years...) but they get a large following from the teenagers who seek 1) nice demos and 2) who believe in anything an asian says about his history It is sad, but there's so little we can do when the korean guys avoid all confrontation (they've been asked to prove themselves many times here, but they choose not to respond). They never fight, but they brainwash their teenage students into believing they (the instructors) would win in any of the local NHB events because... [then the * starts]

Excellent points (about the pizzas, ooooh, I feel hungry...). Remember the old maxim "the student must surpass the master" so the Asians can't be the end'all-be'all.

So you have what we called "casual friday" in my previous job.

Nah, she was just confused.

Give us a weblink, girl!

Whoa, the site is so full of pages and links and categories, it is hard to find any "simple" info. Well, maybe I'll dig in this weekend when I have more time! Thanks for the link.

So you're the one turning the back or the one giving up?

I never reply to posts I feel are flames or bates so don't worry. As to your question, I feel the punches I train are the best with my fighting style nothing special about that. (I get into more detail down below) Yes, cool. We can both think for ourselves. That makes the martial an art. Correction. I learned how it is supposedly done, not how it is done. I chose my words carefully. Great! Good for you.

Yeah, a true martial artist doesn't categorize his opponents, but often people will. They try to "shine" when they feel it is possible. Then they get trounced when a person with nearly 15 years of martial arts experience is fighting them and they believe it is a beginner... Haha! But that only shows he lacked some of the required qualities of a master. Actually, I believe he realized at some point that I know something about fighting but I think it only made him more furious, he started to fight me with more "determination" (misdirected I might commend) and that made him fall easily. But really, I think WC believes too much on the idea of "he will be shocked when I launch my aggression". It works against someone who doesn't know anything about fighting, i.e. a true "bully", but someone who is a fighter and knows his stuff won't be thrown off by WC. Just my humble opinion though. Feel free to counter it.

Treebranch: BJJ is not just for the ground. Paul Vunak said he was shocked that people who trained for 6 years or more, were helpless against BJJ guys with 6 months of BJJ training and that made him study it. You can use BJJ techniques to break someone's arm in a second while standing up. Only sport BJJ is pure groundwork, even in the column in Black Belt the Gacie (I forget which one) said in a street fight they prefer standing up, as well as in their self defence book. And many (not most but many) streetfights go to ground. If you know how to a) take it to the ground b) prevent "a" from happening c) finish a fight on ground in seconds d) try to finish it while standing e) how to force the fight to the ground if that suits you You are very good, much better off than only knowing KM for the same training period (the last comment is just my own opinion).

You hit the nail right on the head with that one! It is one of the favored moves against takedowns amongst people who never actually go against live grapplers. This is one aspect of "alive" training. Try it against someone for real. People always say "I'll elbow his neck" or "I'll knee his face" but when a grappler attacks they go down. I've seen it happen many times, and it made me a convert. Today I believe in sparring with as many people as possible. That is where you get to learn stuff. No matter what the rules, someone says let's spar, I'll spar. I'm 28 years old and it only took me over 10 years to realize this. Previously I never sparred as I always thought "my technique is only for real fighting, it is too deady". When I trained JKD I got my first wake up calls, none and I mean NONE of the stuff I thought I knew helped me when my instructor told me "do whatever" and attacked me. "Aliveness" seems to be the key, try what you know in a live manner, the attacker really resists and you really resist. That's a fight. Sorry to go off on a tangent and off-topic, but had to vent.

Hey I know this one! The answer is: Matt Thornton from http://www.straightblastgym.com/. LOL

Sorry, but real WC guys don't fight in any open and filmed fights. That's the reason I dropped out of WC in about 6 months. And that I beat the * outta the instructor in free sparring. Okay, partly my fault, I pretended to be a beginner in martial arts all the way...

So Sho-ju, you are either the best figher in your club, or you stop the fights you are losing short. Get more of your blood on the gi and you are "the man".

I don't think my punching style is the best, nor do I believe WC punching style is the best (I've tried WC for about half a year, so I know how the punch is supposedly done). I do think that the WC punch is best for someone punching with the WC theory in mind, and I do feel my way of punching is best for someone punching with my theories in mind. But they all have their place. Again, even this has nothing to do with WC, I recommend Marco Lala's instructional video "Karate-Boxing Connection" as it explains how boxing and karate techniques both have their place in a fight. He explains the details and history in a way that will open anyone's mind and see how any other way of punching will fit in too, without dropping some other way of punching from the fight.

Lets make this more interesting. Give a link to the city/town/municipality where you live.

Paul Vunak, a very respected Jeet Kune Do instructor, a man who is known for his long history of street fights (spent several nights in jail too because of the brawls) spoke highly of BJJ already back in the early eighties when there was no BJJ-craze around. And we are talking about a man who is known to only study stuff that he knows works in the streets. And Chuck Norris started studying BJJ after the mid-eighties under the Machados because he found it extremely effective (and he studied Judo under the wrestling/groundfighting legend Gene LeBell). BJJ is good.