I thought the instructor was suppose to determine if the student is ready to test? Sounds like a scam on testing fees if the instructor lets the student test even though the student isn't ready. That's one angle I hadn't thought of and you are right. I think I would feel completely cheated as a student if that happened and my testing fee wasn't returned. Why should you get your money back? You paid the examiner for their time and for them to judge you. They still performed their bit even though you weren't up to scratch. Why should they test you for free? If anything I'd do it the other way, use the testing fee as a deposit. If you don't pass the belt, the examiner gets to keep it because you've just wasted their time. Would make a lot of people try harder. Just because you've paid your dues and turned up to test, doesn't mean you automatically get the belt. If you look crumble under the pressure and look shocking you shouldn't pass and they should get to keep the fee. If you fail your driving test you don't get your money back. Dwx, That was well said and I agree 100%