tallgeese

Good to have you aboard! Welcome. I was a history major as well prior to my switch to atheltic training, which was prior to my current career. It's still my favorite subject material to read.

I'm the last person that will ever say that training shouldn't be taken serioulsy. I firmly beleive that it should be treated with deadly earnest. However, that's the training. It's the formality and titles that I think can be taken casually if one so chooses. labeling or not has litttle to do with the serious level of one's training.

Don't know what you're missing. Wait a few years and several training traumas later .

Welcome aboard KF! Keep us posted on how the move treats your training.

Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series has some decidedly eastern thread running thru it. But it certainly dosn't focus on such things. The mentor figure Lan from the first few books is more samurai than knight but again, it's a subtle thing. One of RA Salvatore's early runs The Cleric Quintet had a major figure who was a monk, but I don't remember the ma's being handeled particularly well in it. The ideas of the books are pretty good, the execution is a bit dubious however. I enjoyed the fun of the Destroyer books while I was in high school, they're really not fantasy but after you read a couple they might as well be. He beats alot of stuff up, including at one point a robot named Achillies that he has to kill by kicking in the heel if I recall correctly. You've been warned. I'm sure there are pleny, I just haven't read them.

today- warm up with about 10 min of 50% rolling. work thru postions and submissions. 15 instructional block on acquiring the half guard and working to full guard. taking back option as well if presented with the opporturnity. 3, 3 min rounds of free roll from knees. 10 min of work on escaping and countering the half guard 8, 3 min rounds of free roll from standing. again, i focused on working my shots and high singles. arm drags too. stopped from time to time to cover things. extended time on transitioning from choke efforts from back to arm bar.

I think it's too much deliation. If they're better than you, get on the floor and train with them. If they aren't as good, get on the floor and train them. Worry more about your own ability to defend youself than any artifical title that others might feel the need to bestow. That's about the long and short of how I feel about any distinctions past mere rank.

I'm with bushido man on this one. I don't talk to stranges at all usually, let alone the crazy variety. Being unfriendly suits me real well in situations like this. It's up and walk away, I don't have the patience for it.

That's crazy talk

Yeah odds are long. But you've still got to train from that negitive to have any hope. If I think this guy is not going to be satisfied with just my car keys then it's best to have some sort of cohearent, prepared principles for this kind of thing. Still dosn't make your chances good.

I just happend to see this thread again and took note after a roll call training we had just the other day. It advocated the use of spray as a primary tool agaisnt the angry attack dog, followed by either striking it with a baton or unarmed if that was ineffective. I shook my head and couldn't beleive they actually suggested to a group of armed individuals that we should at any point think about getting spray out, seeing if it worked, transitioning to a baton, see if it worked, and then punch it if we were out of options. Hello, we carry guns for a living. This must be lost on upper administration. I've worked in close enough proximity with our departments k9's to see a motivated animal trying to get at someone. No way am I fumbling with less than lethal instruments while it's running at me. So, after much thought during and after this training, I finally settled on the following options (assuming a charging animal from which there is no reasonable chance to retreat): 1- shoot it 2- stab it 3- think about spraying as an after thought it as I run for the nearest tree at Mach 2. Trained attack animals are lethal. There's no way I'm meeting one with less than deadly force. If that's not an option, then escape is the only real option to attempt. Followed by escalating to weaponry.

bushido man, what are you guys presenting to the corrections staff in regard to DT program additions? Always interested to see what people are doing on that front.

yesterday- 3, 3 min rounds of shadowboxing, all weapons on 3, 3 min rounds of ground-n-pound training on a downed heavy bag. start with strike patterns, add tight movmement. progress to strikes from standing to down. finsh by adding simulated submissions in strike series. 3, 3 min rounds of (catch all) -knife -club -worked on shots, double, single, high crotch.

Wow,nice! Someone spent a ton of time getting that done.

I'd agree. It's fundimentals built over time that is the cornerstone of any system. Building thru each rank to a proficient level is a great way to make this happen. That's a really good point, joe.

The worth of a black belt rank should be considered within the system that it's awarded I feel. Each system has specific things it's good at and stresses. A bb rank in that school should be judged on that. Not all systmes out there even stress the same goals as their bottom line.

I've been a big proponant of the crossfit regimine for quite awhile on these boards, and I really do think that for ma-ist's it's really one of the most effective programs out there. I've certainly seen an improvement in my game after utilizing it for a time. However, people that are big into certain regimines can lose sight of the fact that they can be limiting in certain regards. Yes, workouts like fran allow you to generate immense amounts of power. For ma's this in highly important. However, to use crossfit protocols alone to do a more sustained activity is not necissarily the best tool either. It's all about looking at what you're doing and fitting your workout to that activity. Crossfit gives you a great base to work from across a wide set of demands, and again, combative demands are met very well by their protocols. However, use mountaineering as an example, to adaquatly prepare for a task like this, you're going to need to change your routine up to address those specific concerns. Whlie, you could continue to crossfit as a core, you're going to need to add addtional longer, more sustained workouts on the treadmill, stepper, or hills. Ideally, integrating these with the shorther duration crossfit training to simulate the demands of technical climbing. From experiance, relying too much on a crossfit type work out at the expense of higer duratino training can indeed be detrimental to one's overal conditioning for such an event. I guess my point is that fitness is largely definded by your given activity. As such, for combat athletes, crossfit is excellent. However, another kind of athlete, as you've pointed out, will have a different need base. This should be addressed by catering to what they need for success of the activity. Weight routines certainly have their place if your goal is body building type of development. Again, I agree that for most of us, this is not synonomous with our fitness concept. But it is the goal for many people. For me, I find useing a crossfit base for the bulk of my activities is a relly good thing. What I've also found is that when I plan a big mountain trip I have to scale it back and pick up more traditional cardio and steep simulators.

today- modified crossfit: 15 shoulder presses (all standing) with 50 lbs db's 1 pull up 13 shoulder presses 3 pull ups 11 shoulder presses 5 pull ups 9 shoulder presses 7 pull ups 7 shoulder presses 9 pull ups 5 shoulder presses 11 pull ups 3 shoulder presses 13 pull ups 1 shoulder press 15 pull ups chest/tris

There's certainly more to being a well rounded ma-ist than just learning to grapple, espically if you're talking about a pure sd realm. However, learing to grapple is a good tool thing to spend time in towards the advancment of being well rounded. As is learning weapons, small joint, ect. I agree, skill is optimally important in being well rounded. However, knowlege is the forerunner of skill and an important step in the line. Also, it's the concept of being well rounded that overcomes the fact that a guy wiht less experiance can stand with someone who has more in a certain area. I certainly wouldn't stay at a range where someone could outclass me. But it that's the only range you're practiced in, then you're losing that fight. Now, if you spend time training in other avanues, then you can utilize a range of your choice and not your opponants. You don't need to beat a guy at his own game, you have to be able to impelment a game that he's not as good at as you. Hence the high value of cross training. The catch, to my mind at least, is that you have to learn to survive his game long enough to implement yours. This again, leads us back to cross trianing heavily to allow for this. That's why I don't have a problem looking at what ever the new treand is. The thing is, you have to be able to realistically evaluate the effectivness of whatever it is and be able to implement it into your principles of conflict control. Time and repetivive experimentaion will show some to be very useful (bjj, jkd principles) and others to be less useful (most of what i've seen of ninjutsu) in a modern era. It's not to beat all comers, it's to broaden your horizons of skills and hone your specific game to it's upmost.

No they aren't limited to poor skill. But they aren't going to show the same improvment or skill level as a professionally training fighter. There's simply not the time. It's why guys in the UFC aren't training only 4-5 hours a week. More time=more skill development. Mindset and methodology are important, but at a certain point you can't overcome the limitations of time management. You can certainly optimize your time for what ever it is that you want out of the arts. But I agree that the Mayweather example is skewed towards the high end of the spctrum.

I see the point of deliniating across these lines. I'm sure most of us have some form of heirarchy built into our teaching, even if it's very informal in nature. There are probibly some developed ones out there already. My quibble is, as always, witht the mastery part of the equation. This is such a loaded work in ma circles it's almost not worth using. If we do use it, I think it has to be looked at on the basis of a complete fighter, not just a single techinque. This is kind of how your post read, you might not have ment it that way. Any sort of "mastery level' would have to be based around all aspects of a ma-ist's skill set. No single movement or even sub-skill set should be enough. It should also included all those intangables that a highly trained combatant uses to win fights. Mindset, ect. I leave out all that personal development stuff, but if a system is into that then it'd have to be considered as well. It all goes in to making a competent fighter. A single movement that one can do well backed by no other skills appraching that one is just a side show in my mind.

That might be the most impressive accomplishement to come out of that camp, which had a pretty stong record of impressive accomplishements while Tyson was in his prime.

today- mitt work- 3, 2 min rounds starting coverage from attacks and moving to a combo to close distance. add tight hooks from a tight gap. finish with arm drap to a high single leg. 20 min instructional block on escaping the mount woith a couple of variations. 3, 1 min drills focusing soley on holding and escaping the mount. 8, 3 min rounds free roll from standing. i spent time focuing on working my takedown game. stopped to go over a couple of subs, postional work.

Yeah, I end up cleaning pretty frequently. Whatever and whenevr they pop up on the sorkout of the day over on crossfit. Great core exercise. Highly underrated these days.

I've seen the research on this, as well as the results that the guys using it over at crossfit are getting out of it. I will say, the results are impressive. I utilize the crossfit principles myself for workouts, but, despite the fact I've seen the results other people are having, I cant' make the jump to this kind of diet. It's simply too restirctive and quite frankly, I don't need that extra bit of fitness it provides. Now, had I found it when I was competitive, it would have made the cut to 155 a lot easier. But it's just not worth it to me these days. A sensible diet, as wholesome as you can make it and still enjoy life seems to work fine for most people, myself included. Add good workout regimes and off you go. But, for the guys really wanting to trim hard, it's a great set up.