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Everyone has off days, bushido man. Best to shake it off and give it a post-action break down to see what wasn't working and why. I've always found that to be extrememly helpful.

I think some basic nerve tactics re good to have the the toolbox. I can't say I'm a huge fan, there's just too much room for a missed position or a naturally resistive persion to the pain t hey create. Also, as Throwdown mentioned, they can be very difficult to utilize at speed. I have to concur with bushido man, based on your occupation they can come in handy for passively resistive subjects. Even then I tend to be more of a forarm/elbow in and plow them in the directin I want them to go. But they can definatly have a place there.

Nice breakdown. I prefer the central/lower chest area for a kind of focal point. Then, I just use the perephial vision to pick up movement. It sees things quicker tan actaul focued sight so it should be better at picking up movements across the bad guys posture.

Most ground arts are just as concerned with finishing a fight as any standing practitioners are. It's just a difference in method. I know very few grapplers who wouldn't like to end a match quickly with a submission (in a real fight this becomes a break or choke to unconciousness of course).

Ok, after reading that last post, I might seem a bit over critial of trad arts. I'm not. I've often said that there are a vast number of reasons to do ma's. There's certainly nothing wrong the classical apprach. It's just not the only method and depending on what you're doing ma's for, it might not be the best. That's all.

From my experiance, I've never seen the culmination and experimentatin that marked Lee's work in anything else put together in the formats which he arranged. Again, movements, yes. But the overall pattern and strategy is what's important beyond mere movement. Ceratinly, the training mindset and methods he incorportated we're and still aren't a major building block of traditional arts. Experimentation with the ideal of imporoving on and absorbing into what your doing is still not widely accepted in mainstream trad ma organizations. You see it more in mma style gyms, whose methods are often decried by trad organizations. You certainly see it in functional sd training, which is again often thought of as a step child of ma's not truely a ma into an of itself. I also have to say that time is important is certain things. I might be in a confrontation tomorrow, that means that the sooner I start working on a variey of situational responses, the better. I don't have time to "perfect" several forms which may or may not be of use. I need to find that which is useful and start incorporating it into my scheme. That's part of the genius of JKD. It's also a major break from the traditional mindset that Lee would have been a part of prior to his formulation of JKD.

I've got a story about learning to take groin strikes that's right up there in the "dumbest" catagory. I'll need more to drink before I share that one But no, you are not alone.

today- Started in on a new weight regimine. It's a high rep, timed scheme that shows some promise for the kind of things I need it for. Anyway: 1 mile run dealts/traps cool down with knife work. patterns are coming together, just tightening them up. also experimenting with follow up work and integratind an unarmed componant to the patterns. We'll see about that last part. bushidoman, let us know how the test and test prep goes.

Mass, and due to that, strength, is a great attribute to have in a sd encounter. Flexability will only be impacted signifigantly if one fails to train it until you're at truly olympian proportions. That said, to get to enourmous sizes like that you need: 1) fantastic genetics, 2) years of highly diciplined, highly specilized training 3) chemical enhancment to a signifigant degree. You'd have to figure if it's worth it. That being said, focused weight training for size, strength, and power to a degree that it's done for the enhancement of your ma training is invaluable.

Gotcha. Yup, they have a place in any workout regimine.

The movements aren't new, that's for sure and I'm pretty sure he never claims they are. In fact in most of the sections of his Tao and Fighting Method books, he's quite quick to point out the origins of whatever drills he's using and then talk about putting them into a workable combative format. There's really not much out there that's new after a few thousand years of killing each other. And I agree, there are great similarities in the postures he uses. My impression is that he's not so much railing against the postures, but against the classical mindset and training methodology behind them. His brilliance was that he took much of the constraining elements away was able to cast those movements into a framework that was far less rigid and more adaptable to a wide variety of situations. The ideas he expoused just didn't exsist in the mindset of classical artist at the time. It was necissary to step away from the form of them to find these ideas. His concepts have filtered down into the way that mma is done today as well as RBSD. You see tons of what Lee was talking about in each and you'll see very little of classical thought pre-Lee in either. That alone should distinguish what he was able to accomplish by breaking the traditional mold.

I started my child when she was 4. It's pretty hit and miss with how much she takes away each week. Really, you rep all kinds of times just to get a close approximation in it's simplest form. The key here at these young ages is just to get them on the mat and let them have fun doing something that resembles ma's. This puts them in the trappings and gets it into their heads that this is fun to do. You can't ask them to do anything but simplified movements without much substance behind them. But, they'll associate it with fun. That's going to make them stick around for the good stuff later. At least that's my indoctrination plan

Probibly not, actually. Lots of things that Lee incorportated into JKD didn't exsist in the traditional Chineese arts that he was studying. And most of the movements that he researched weren't "flash in the pan" things, they were time tested combatives from other traditions that he was able to find a place for in an overall scheme which was different from the monotany of classical arts from which he came. Natural talent and hard work are key ingrediants in building onesself into a fighter. I don't think you can use them in a negitive light. You can look at it however you like, but I think most people will see it as solid reseach consolidated around a set of ideals that Lee invisioned for a more streamlined approach to combat. In my mind, he's one of the revolutionary figures in martial arts.

Yup, why to go! Glad to hear things are looking up.

Welcome to KF!

Yeah, I loved that toy line as a kid. The comics as well. I'm putting this up there on a "must see" list for myself.

The NSCA has some pretty good quilifiers for their personal trainers as well.

bushido man did help us all out when he started this for sure. today- 1/5 mile run chest/tris

I'm not sure I get the last question you posed Mega, sorry. Could you restate it? Again, sorry, I just don't want to spout and not answer your question. There are some rough examples of how I integrate striking and takedown training into mitt and sparring work over on the Training Log thread in the Heath, Fitness, and Training section. The striking will all be familiar, most of the takedowns are wrestling of jj in nature as I don't have a judo background. But they might give you the idea of what I'm talking about. They are a rough outline and not a round by round breakdown. You might have to go back a few pages, we've been doing alot of grappling lately in preperation for a tourny. Also, I did an article up in that section on focus mit training that address the integraion of other skills, including takedowns into them. Might be worth a look for you if your interested.

I agree that to be really good at integration you're going to need time. Howeverm I think that if you start linking movements that you understand well together, you'll be fine. So let's say you spend a couple of months in judo and you've developed a pretty solid leg reap. You've already got a good striking background so that shouldn't be a problem. Now, it's not that hard to add a punching sequence to the front of the reap. And presto, you've started bridging the gap. Personally, I start training guys this way early. The transitin between the two is harder than some would think. From a striking standpoint, it's hard to get used to working against a takedown if you're just used to focusing on punching. From the other side, it's harder to get effective throws and takedowns when someone is punching you in the face. So, I like to start sooner rather than later on putting them together. It just lends itself to more repetition. In this model, integration occurs in steps, not whlesale between two different systems. It breaks movmements down and places them inot a framework that allows a student to work with the parts he's comfortable with sooner. Let's face it, if you're looking to integrate skills it's largely becasue you want a more well rounded skill set, usually for defensive purposes. If that's the case, then developing at least a modicum of operational skill in integration sooner is better than later. Back to your inital question, it's not really instincitve unless you've trained that way from day one. There will be an adjustment period. Usually, I focus a portion of class on stand up, part on ground, and part on bridging the gap. So, I'll add takedowns or defense vs. them into the day's palns somewhere. But training in it is important for sure.

Bushidoman has a good point. At various times you ought to be focusing on training certain aspects of your game during sparring, not "just sparring" as we've discussedin another thread. It's how you improve all your weapons, the groin kick included. It has to be focused and trained during these sessins as well. Additionally, it's important to sometimes incorporate all your tools as to see to their integration and understand how to flow form one to another as well as how the application of one will affect another.

Hurt, sure. The question is how much, that's the whole idea of a proportional response. What' s appropriate and defenseable.

got one in before work tonight- 1 mile jog 1/2 mile of windsprint intervals 1/4 mile coll down jog

Most ground oriented schools will do more training from the floor for sure. Granted throws are a part of any grappling art to a greater and lesser degree. If you look at judo or greco-roman wrestling, they are almost entirely based around the throwing aspect. Now, a bjj school or other similarly focused grappling school will have takedown work, but to a far lesser dergree while actaul skills on the ground are predominate.

I'll second ps1 as well, you'd be suprised how much less of a pounding you'll take (cardio not withstanding) in a grappling oriented class than a striking orientied one. Still, don't take anything off the table until you see what's in your area that might intrest you and whose personalities you mesh with.