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Is that on tape? Oh boy...

Sweet deal on that dead lift! 12/7 Drilled with my old MMA crew to help get one of their fighters ready for an upcoming bout. 15 min light roll to warm up 30 min working off the fence 40 min of rounds groundwork with strikes. Putting the jits to work this way was great. VERY happy with the progress.

Good question. And I think I've been part of multiple of tests where similar questions were asked. Don't you hate the sound of your own voice? Anyway, I can see where you're coming from and it's an area that need complete discussion within any school that even looks in the direction of combative application of the arts for self defense. I'm big these days on teaching the use of of force needed. Period. No as little or as much as you can, just what's needed. It's the safest in terms of teaching people to not UNDER respond (a major problem) and not getting people so worked up that they move from self defense to aggravated battery (which is what I think I was geared towards during some of my days of training- thanks USBBA). This teaches a fluid mindset in regard to use of force. This should go hand in hand with fluid mindset as far as tactical application of tools. Your response has to go up and down the scale as your bad guy attacks and desists. So, if he throws a punch and you evade and counter with a strike, your good. Then you launch a double leg to control him. So far so good. If he puts his hands in submission, you need to not strike him from your new, super- cool dominate position. If however, he retrieves a knife from his waistband, you'd best be ready to drive your tactics up to meet the force. So maybe you check the draw and up your bludgeoning and clubbery to his head (or check his draw and present your firearm to escalate- whatever you've got handy). If at this point (assuming you haven't deployed a .45 round in a contact shot) let's say he has a bit of your bullying and decides to stop trying to get his knife arm free. He drops the knife and tosses it aside cries uncontrollably. Now you need to adjust down, stop beating him about the head and neck (or re-engage the safety on your pistol) and start making use of your joint position training to control him in a fetal position until the cops get there. Maybe provide some career counseling on why attacking random people on the street is a bad idea (I'm not above amusing yourself a little here on a cerebral level). This sliding application really get to the heart of the issue and trains people not to under or over respond without getting caught up in some artificial "use of force continuum" (a system used in law enforcement that we created ourselves to be confusing and unnecessary. State and federal law says noting about the concept nor has any use of force rulings in case law ever).

how about if you already had punched him and he was rocked?This is the best time to apply a joint manipulation. Tuite is predicated with a stunning motion to actually allow the movement to be successfully applied. On the general topic, I try to never say never. It is HIGHLY doubtful I'd ever do any high risk maneuver such as a spinning kick, ect. in a sd situation. Particularly in my situation since I don't train those tactics enough because I don't see them as a viable response option for me in a realistic sd scenario. Bear in mind, what is fancy for one individual might be routine for another. Now, this still does not mean that the tactic is a good tool for sd; however, if an individual is comfortable with even a high risk tactic he or she has a much higher likelihood of actually pulling it off than someone who has a low level of comfort with it. Still, I would lean towards the idea of no. For me, this also means (as I hint at above) I won't spend alot of time training that tactic.

Passing this on for information. I won't say that attacking an armed individual is ever the tactically best selection. However, if you're going to press this fight this is a good outcome. http://jiujitsusweep.com/articles/convicted-felon-chose-wrong-man-rob-mma-fighter/

yamesu, the fun thing about this thread is getting a different persepective on training and see what others are doing. Occassionally, we even link videos to explain stuff which is pretty cool. Welcome. 12/5 Drilled escpae frmo back mount, moved into armbar counter from escape then to D' Arce from escape. Finished with a couple of smashing counters to De La Riva. 30 min free roll

Good highlight reel. Check out the total smoothness in the transitions thru inverted guard and sitting guards. Beautiful.

I think, across the US, you could easily find schools in the 40-60 dollars/month range. It's just not going to be in the suburbs where I live, or will be severely restricted on access (times/week). In fact, the school I started in (and got GREAT training in by the way that has served me well ever since) was a mere $20 per month for two nights a week. Granted, this was in a tiny town in southern IL. Where I live now, you'll not see this price for anything, even with restricted days. For the $100-$125 per month you'll find at most schools (towards the 80-100 for traditional karate schools, nearer the 125-135 for BJJ) you'll also find unlimited class attendance. So, if you have the time, you'll end up going 5 times plus per week.

Congrats!

A $100.00 should cover you most places unless you're in a MAJOR metropolitian area. Even BJJ schools in the Chicago suburbs will rarely run over one and a quarter.

This is an excellent find Justice, and a nice breakdown on things we can learn from it. It's the kind of thing that should get us all evaluating our positions each time something like this hits the news. First and foremost, I agree with everything you brought up in your points. Everyone should answer each of these. And given that we're all different with different attributes to bring to the table the answer should be different for each of us. Let me add briefly two your last two points, the first, that negotiation will not be an option if the bad guys is on a different planet than you is totally true. And, despite the common sense of it, often overlooked by a vast number of people. Even martial artist. This is largely due to the fact that we interact daily with reasonable, if sometimes irritating, human beings. And most people have kind of unknowingly decided to live in a civilized society and abide by certain standards. This leaves those who, for whatever reason, outside of this social contract somewhat of an unknown factor for most people who have little experience dealing with them. Everyone needs to accept the fact that there are people who will not listen to reason. One must be prepared to act in these cases and commit to the best course of action you can see without reservation. Lastly, that emotionally one has to prepare for whatever level of force they are prepared to use. Grossman points out that if we never mentally accept that we might kill someone we will be devastated when we do. Preparing before hand goes (according to reputable research) a great distance to preventing PTSD. This does not mean that it won't occur, just that you can lessen it's effects of avoid it altogether in some cases. I'm a firearms advocate, but if you're not willing to drop the hammer, it's better to not have one at all. If you do have one, I'm also a big advocate of training with it so you'll effectively deploy it. I would caution that fearing for the health of the home invader might have worked out this time, but won't always. This is a man who is beyond reason and threatening not just you, but your family in your home. To me, he is the invader. He will receive no such quarter. If I fail to win the conflict in my home, what are my wife and kids supposed to do? So, I'll accept that I may very well kill this guy, in my case I will likely deploy a firearm to meet the threat if given time. I'll use a blade to cut my way to a firearm if the threat has gotten to close to immediately access my weapons. I'll continue to practice to do both and retrieve each from where I sleep and hang out in my home. I'll further take the common sense approach (but often overlooked more than the others for many people) of keeping my doors locked AT ALL TIMES. Even when I'm home. This creates time for me to get to advantageous weapons while a home invader has to force his way in. Too many people leave their doors open while they are home, this just puts you behind the curve should this guy show up while you're in front of the television. Again, great find and great points to bring out.

Best of all. Worst of none.

12/3 Drilled doubles and inside trips from up top. Moved down to standing guard break. 6, 2 min rounds of closed guard v. break and pass 20 min free roll

12/2 light warm up on treadmill pull ups neck kettle bell circuit abs

I agree that several forms of kempo or karate will have aspects of both standing joint destructions and striking. As Wastelander said, how much of each will depend greatly on the instructor and flavor of art you're in. Be sure you watch sessions of both before getting involved fully, you want to make sure it's what you want. One thing to consider, realistically, you won't be doing small joint manipulation without striking. I don't see a lot of use for tuite if I haven't first controlled the subjects mind with stunning strikes. It's too hypothetical otherwise. I too work in LE and I can say I've watched many a scuffle reach comic proportions due to officers attempting some sort of joint position (usually a straight arm bar takedown) against a fully resistive bad guy without first striking him. It turns into a dance that ultimately ends up badly for both parties. The idea, to me, that standing joint locking can be performed without strikes is too dangerous to consider as a primary tactic. I'll never say never, but I try to stay away from it. For me, grappling in the sense of positional dominance has taken the foreground of ground work and controlling opponents over joint manipulations that rely on destroying the joint. Even the much used and above mentioned straight arm bar take down, seen in multiple arts and RBSD systems is essentially a misrepresentation of what the movement is designed to do. It, as taught in older katas, is a movement to break the elbow joint and thus (dating back to older times) prevent your opponent from using a weapon against you. The takedown was added by us, in less violent times (yes, they are despite the news headlines) to take a proven movement and put it into a more acceptable format. Anytime we start deviating from mechanics created to do one thing and make them do another we lose efficiency. If you look at BJJ or other modern grappling arts, despite the heavy sport outlook these days, you'll see a system specifically designed to crush and hold from a dominate position. It's movement doing what it was designed to do. No reverse engineering needed. I do; however, think that any art your looking at, boxing included. Is at some philosophical point about violence. It might be controlled for sport application, but anytime you're training to knock someone out via repeated brain trauma, it's violent. This holds true for grappling arts as well, and you've touched on that already. If you're really doing standing joint manipulation, you're really talking about breaking joints up. This is not non-violent either. Summed up, martial arts are about violence if you're training them for self defense. We're talking about ending threats, not being non-violent in our response. The level of force has to be appropriate; however, it'll still be violent. The last thing I'm worried about when deploying the needed amount of force is how this will injure the other party. If I'm within my legal right to deploy violence (or force) and I'm at a proportional level the injuries to the bad guy don't matter.

12/1 am: 90 min free roll. Worked some guard pass defense during this and went over a couple of techniques a buddy of mine brought in from his primary school. pm: Drilled crushing the legs and hips during guard pass. Moved to escape from back. Then went to countering escape with arm bar followed by arm triangle. 75 min free roll. Now really pm is a couple of beers to chase down ibuprofen.

Bummer of a situation is right. There is no way that someone is not going to end up upset at someone after this. It sounds like, based on what you've given us, that the guy is exhibiting some real red flags in his behavior to your step daughter. I'd agree that this is the profile type that one should avoid. That being said, she's into him and by forcing him away (no matter how much fun one might have doing it violently) you'll likely end up forcing her out as well unless the timing is right. Still, you can't let yourself get jammed up by this guy. I'd be certain that not only are obvious valuables at your place out of sight out of mind, or even better, locked away; but that you've removed any access information to accounts and such. No easy access should be given to credit/debit cards, ect. Try to stay away from excessive arguing because it's a matter of time until it does get out of hand, then cops show up and question every one, and even if you did everything right and shouldn't have a problem, why risk it. That said, obviously you can't let him do anything that would harm you or your family. Lastly, if he does step out of line, report him. Not doing so will start developing a pattern that will let him assume he can do similar antics in regard to your step daughter and have little to no fear of reprisal. Good luck, keep us posted.

I agree wholeheartedly with both of the above posts.

11/30 1 mile run bench press shoulder press neck curls dead lift abs

11/28 Drilled defeating the double under pass. Moved into countering via moving under one of the arms to triangle position. Finished the triangle. Then used same coutner to move into spider guard position. Tweaked spider guard work a bit. 30 min free roll. Worked thru some specific points with coach over X guard transitions and timing.

One would think. At least they touched on the fact in this episode that everything was either overrun or burned out. I'm not sure why on either if the Hershal farm is just fine.

The problem is that all these karate variables are artificial. They've been created as an explanation for misunderstood kata positions. Any weight distribution will have pluses and minuses. In fact, I'd argue that the ones mentioned are not as great as one would think. For instance, distance is not created solely by stance (ie the karate posture) but also via footwork (in the case of the boxer). I think there's a reasonable argument that would favor the footwork since movement is far superior to a rooted immobile stance in most instances. Again, distance isn't a function of the stance, it's reverse engineering from kata interpreted improperly. The weight distribution forward and back might (and I emphasis MIGHT) let a boxer get pulled forward easier; however, the aggressive forward posture of a boxer in more in the mindset of prevailing in combat. They're more likely to press the fight where a rear weight distribution karate stance has difficulty dealing with the forward rush of a take down attempt or rushing attack. A weakness we've seen demonstrated again and again in the early UFC's and Gracie in Action fights ( I note these for the purposes of demonstrating the concept, not to create a grappling v. striker argument. It's for showing a concept alone). When we start to discuss angles, there are few better examples of cutting angles that boxers. I don't think there's an argument to be made that our reverse engineered chambered punch can provide superior angular movement over a boxing punch. However, I'm open to hearing one. I do think that boxers have karate-ka on this. Their punching is just better in most cases. It's target to all vulnerable targets on the upper body (the most effective use of the hands in striking). Their movement is superior to cut angles and produce openings due to non-rigid stances. To root this to Dobbersky's initial post, this is largely due not to the art itself, but to the mis-represented stance and chamber work of kata put together after most of the initial meaning had been lost. It's more dynamic in methodology than a lot of karate training (again, often the fault of kata) and more dynamic training lends itself better to actual conflict.

It is my basement. I forgot you didn't get the chance to make it up at the last get together. The other side is a weight room that's got at least the basics with a treadmill.

GS & MP, here is some footage of our own mini Post-Thanksgiving Day Purification (thanks LP for coming up with that). There's some open guard work and some excellent defense by my partner. Maybe it will be useful to you guys considering how good Brian is a breaking down footage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q23naq4BA84

I hear what you're saying MP. I'd be torqued if someone up and decided to take my guns as well. Especially in the zombie apocalypse. However, Dale was just acting to keep the group from getting kicked from the farm, which is almost a given now that Shane decided to go Rouge. The interesting thing they've done this season is set up the diametrically opposed world views of Shane and Rick. This has reached a point where I'm not sure they can coexist anymore. They've also shown us two dramatically different views of survival in the dichotomy between the group and the farm. Realistically, a compromise would likely serve both the best. However, ideology just won't let them come together. Rick showed again last light however that he's the most open to compromise and hence the most likely to lead his little band successfully. Shane leads us to a post-apocolyptic Mad Max survival. Rick might actually lead your party back to a semblance of normality. Really love what they've done ideologically with the show. I still wish we had more of the near misses and high tension of season one.