battousai16 Posted July 28, 2003 Share Posted July 28, 2003 oh yeah? can they do this? "I hear you can kill 200 men and play a mean six string at the same time..."-Six String Samurai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart the Lover Posted July 28, 2003 Share Posted July 28, 2003 (edited) tenguartist wrote:a while ago i noticed that the girls who train in my dojo are becoming more aggresive(somewhat determined) than they were when the first started I don't think this is as a result of training with men. I agree with Kamidake--some women need a little time to adjust to contact sports. You have to bear in mind that girls are still actively discouraged from doing anything perceived as aggressive. They are expected to be passive and obedient. There was an enormous fuss in Britain not long ago when Jane Couch (boxer) took the British Boxing Board of Control to court over their refusal to grant her a license to box. Some of the crap written about women's boxing by the press was amazing, and some of the arguments the Board used were ridiculous. So it's not surprising women have to learn how to tap into their aggression (I think some men do, too).if i were to become a teacher(sensei, sifu...whatever it is) and some female students ask for a female only class, what should i do? should i just ignore the fact that i could be setting them up for inevitable trouble? Maybe you should concetrate on becoming a sifu/sensei first?! Ultimately, it will be for you to decide on the merits of a female-only class. We could discuss and discuss, but the decision will be yours. This is true for any aspect of training, of course. Perhaps by that stage your experience will lead you to the correct answer? I don't think I have enough experience myself to offer a firm answer. Regards, Bart the Lover Edited July 28, 2003 by Bart the Lover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Son Posted July 28, 2003 Share Posted July 28, 2003 If women want women only classes, then they should have them. I think that it's bad for their MA development, bad for the art as a whole and bad to segregate people, period. But if it's what they want, let them have it. Notice that there are few 'men only' classes... >>>PS<<< ------------------------------------------------------------------------Self-defense is only an illusion, a dark cloak beneath which lurks a razor-sharp dagger waiting to be plunged into the first unwary victim. Sifu Wong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 I think most women would have to protect themselves against men. Having mixed classes work well because they are creating a real good scenario of what may happen and give them a chance to work with them in class. Also, men can help encourage women to not be afraid and that it is ok for them to protect themselves. Training to do techiniques in the air is a lot different than practicing techniques on a person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrrrArg Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 My club occasionally runs specialised self defence seminars in the area, often somewhere in the middle of this the women are asked if they want to step aside for some more specialised insruction-dealing with rape attacks and the like, they show things like airhorns you see at footy games that can be used against an attackers ear to diasable them etc:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrrrArg Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 Soory I should also add that this is the only time I know of segregation in the club and I think that segregating is probably a bad idea, there is a big difference between being attacked by a man than a women (mostly phycological) that they couldn't prepare themselves for. It could be a good idea however for women who have unfortunately been victim to the above metioned crimes and want to learn to defend themselves but are perhaps not yet ready to deal with men in an aggressive environment. Incidentaly can you imagine the upproar that would be caused if someone were to start a men only MA club.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White_Tiger Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 You can't recreate every scenario in class. What you can do it lots of repetition, so you create muscle memory. We have had both womens only, and coed classes in our school. I find very little difference in how they spar, because most of the time the men take it easy when sparring the women. But, if you practice defense moves over and over, and develop muscle memory...they will be there for you when you need them. My opinion! Good Luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chh Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 Muscle memory is important, but from my experience I think training with a mix of people is very important for self-defense skills. Maybe it's because the only other woman in my dojo is about my size (small). Practicing techniques on each other is very easy. Then I work the same technique on an aggressive guy 100 pounds heavier than me and a foot taller who's been instructed to make it feel like a real attack--oh, it's different! Especially takedowns and groundwork. She and I can pick each other up and place each other on the ground if we want, and we're pretty evenly matched there, a good struggle but not much of a rush. Again, hugely different when a big aggressive guy who's much stronger than me grabs hold of me and wrenches me to the ground. I know it's not real, but my body REALLY doesn't! Suddenly the adrenaline's pumping and I have to keep my brain working while dealing with the annoying emotions that come when someone's seriously trying to get physical control over you. Anyway, I think women-only classes can be useful for getting timid women's feet wet, so to speak, but if they're serious about training and learning self-defense they should get past their hangups about training with men. Just my 2c. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treebranch Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 Let them do what they like, but I think it's a bad idea. It's good to train with people of different sizes and gender. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenguartist Posted August 2, 2003 Author Share Posted August 2, 2003 lol. i see this is quite a controversial question. thanx anyways. i do like the point however that whitetiger made about boys taking it easy on women. thats true. so hmmmmm...this complicates it a bit. ah well thanx again. just keep sending them. .:let honor guide your hand:."you won't be alive long enough to remember my name" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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