silat vs win chung

[Drunken Monkey]

pinning?

 

i kinda prefere the term trapping.

 

it sounds lke you don't fully understand when trapping occurs or what pak sau is.

 

we do not aim to trap, rather the trap appears from our positioning during attack and pak sau is just another hand position (in relation to your elbow and where your hand is to begin with) used to receive.

 

if you seek to trap, you will get hit.

 

if you actually watch wing chun and silat, you will see more than a few similarities (well, at least i did)

 

and jerry, we like to get into practially body contact distance too. it kinda happens as we close the gap and it allows us to fully control opponents body movement and instead of making our attacks hit him, we make them 'hit' our attacks.

 

...if that makes any sense...

[matt jiujitsufighter]

im not an expert on wing chun

[Drunken Monkey]

so has it occured to you that you don't find it 'effective' because you don't actually know anything about it?

 

"what is jeet kune do?"

 

"pak sau and hip."

[matt jiujitsufighter]

i said im not an expert, i have studied the system, as well as some jeet kune do, so i have some knowledge of wing chun. Trapping as you call it, takes a while to get to know well, and i found it hard to use in combat, so this is why i found it, NOT SO EFFECTIVE, i didn;t say not effective. cool your engines

[Drunken Monkey]

that's my point.

 

your post sounded like your understanding of wing chun is that trapping/pinning is our 'method' of fighting.

 

i just wanted to clarify that:

 

you don't use trapping.

 

trapping occurs as things progress.

 

we don't rely on doing it, rather we take advantage of it happening.

 

there are times when you force the trap but it isn't like that all we do is seek to trap.

 

if i sounded a bit curt i should apologise.

 

just trying to be brief and to the point.

[matt jiujitsufighter]

i know that, trapping is only a bridge to get you where u want to go. I know! lol, but thats what wing chun is known for. thats why i mentioned it, thats why differentiates it from other kung fu styles, its trapping.

[Drunken Monkey]

well, actually, lots of martial arts have trapping aspects.

 

just from the chinese schools, styles, shaolin five animals, hung gar, choy li fut, bak mei, mantis and plenty others have trapping.

 

the fact that more people know about wing chun's trapping is probably because more people know about wing chun, not because that is what it does.

 

just a side note.

 

silat also has lots of trapping, much of which is wing chun like in appearance but slightly different in application (from my inexperienced eyes).

[White Warlock]

trapping is only a bridge to get you where u want to go

Hmm... i would prefer to say that trapping... happens. Wing chun includes a lot of drill-work, which can sometimes cause less experienced wc practitioners to adopt a sort of tunnel vision. that's fine, because it's a phase in the learning process, but it is not the end-all.

[JerryLove]

Mande Muda is actually a system comprised of 18 Pencak Silat styles, incuding Harimau.

Saying "Harimau" in Silat is like saying "monkey" in Kung-fu... there's a lot that qualifies.

I also strongly disagree with your stance that south east asian martial arts which retain some of their cultural aspects have less to offer as a martial art. How did you come up with this conclusion?

I'm not aware that I have. Could you cite where I said that arts with SE Asian cluture have less to offer?

and jerry, we like to get into practially body contact distance too. it

 

Yes, you like "practically" body contact. I like quite literally body contact. My chest is something I hit and manipulate with.

[Drunken Monkey]

hit with chest?

 

not really familiar with that.

 

you might be aware of how we use the shoulders.

 

i guess, you could say that we touch with our chest as well (though not really hit), as a precusor to the rotation for shoulder movement.

 

of course all this is normally accompanied by a push/pull/turn/torque movement.