silat vs win chung

[Kirves]

Strayder, say that to Dan Inosanto or Paul DeThouars.

[WC-Strayder]

I do not know them. (perhaps lucky for me ???) Frankly I don't know silat other than what I read and Dance of dead is what they called it. Silat use senter line sort of stuff they to, don't they?

[Kirves]

Well, Dan Inosanto is the #1 student of Bruce Lee and the only person Lee ever certified in Jeet Kune Do. Nowadays Inosanto is one of the most respected instructors around, teaching Kali, Silat, JKD, Jun Fan, Muay Thai, and what have you. The reason you may not have heard of him is because he is also a humble and nice guy who doesn't toot his own horn. But ask anyone who's seen him in person, he is a master. Google for him on the net and look around...

 

DeThouars is the headmaster of Pukulan Bukti Negara system of Silat. Very deadly guy.

Silat use senter line sort of stuff they to, don't they?

 

There are too many styles of Silat to make any such generalizations.

[WC-Strayder]

Off cause. My mistake, I'm sorry. What I ment to say, reading this mag again, is that silat maybe the only style whom make dead and killing look nice, coz it is so gracefull.... my mistake, take it back. Thanks Kirves, for correcting me.

[Drunken Monkey]

whoa, did someone just say he didn't know who dan inosanto is?

[JerryLove]

I off cause, have to say Wing Chun. Silat is called "Dance of dead", but isn't that more for the show than for good use. Don't hang me on this one, that is just what I had read about Silat. Personally I just know what I'll read about it so please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

There is a tremendous amount of variety in Indonesian fighting methods. They range from sports styles, to purely combative styles, to a style designed for a ritualistic challenge of a bridegroom for the bride. So I will talk in generalities.

 

The Pentjak Silat styles are the indigenous styles which include cultural elements. Here is where you will find the wedding styles, the dance styles, and many of the sport styles. There are also quite a few fighting styles in here. The Pentjaks tend to prefer outside over inside fighting positions. They tend to go from open defensive postures to closed offensive postures. They will occasionally have mystical elements.

 

The Poukilan Silat styles tend to be pure fighting styles without cultural elements. They tend to be direct and to the point. They tend towards close fighting (Poukilan means "impact"). They also tend to prefer outside positions.

 

The Kuntao Silat styles are conglomerates of Indo and Chinese fighting methods. They tend more towards closed defensive postures that open to attack. They also tend more toward inside positions when fighting, preferring the availability of soft targets to the safety of outside positions.

 

The Silats do have animal styles (Harimau (tiger) and Madi (monkey) being two of the better known). They have few if any unarmed styles. They tend to adapt rapidly. There is a tendency to throw out whatever becomes obsolete and add whatever becomes relevant. This is why most modern Silat schools to teach firearm retention and counter-firearm strategies, as well as more traditional weapons (knife, stick, spear).

 

One noted difference between the Indo arts and the nearby Chinese arts is the tendency of the Indo arts to use already strong structures within the body (as opposed to the Chinese tradition of conditioning the body). This allowed the old, the young, the sick, and the wounded to effectively use these arts.

 

- http://www.clearsilat.com/silat/Articles/overview.htm

 

 

DeThouars is the headmaster of Pukulan Bukti Negara system of Silat. Very deadly guy.

 

Paul is the only brother I have not met.

[Xtra Tribal]

Silat is a generic term for the 100's of styles in Indonesia, while wing chun is more easily identified. Jati Wassesa and Mande Muda have some really interesting stepping patterns and takedowns. Exotic blades too.

 

I believe wing chun is more of a self defense fight from what I've seen since some practitioners I know practice muay thai kb to extend their fighting range abilities. WC is a closer fighting system, isn't it? (except when they have the butterfly swords I guess)

 

Please let me know if I'm wrong.

[JerryLove]

WC is a closer fighting system, isn't it?

 

Closer than what?

 

I've seen Mande Muda, and I do not study it.

 

I've seen Senai Gayong from its top instructors (Chiku and Soliman), and I do not study it.

 

I'm not picking on either style, but my opinion was that they were less effective than the ones that I have chosen to study. Mileage may vary.

 

I cannot comment on a comparison between WC and the two Silat styles you identified... speaking for my own style, my opinion has alreday been expressed... but I will say that my preferred fighting range (body contact range) is closer than that of most WC people (between punching and elbow).

[Xtra Tribal]

Yo Jerry!

 

Mande Muda is actually a system comprised of 18 Pencak Silat styles, incuding Harimau.

 

I also strongly disagree with your stance that south east asian martial arts which retain some of their cultural aspects have less to offer as a martial art. How did you come up with this conclusion?

[matt jiujitsufighter]

if i had the choice i;d choose silat, i don't agree with the theory of pinning your opponents limbs that wing chun emcompasses.

 

like take the pak sao from wing chun, i don;t find it so effective.