Martial_Artist Posted June 16, 2003 Posted June 16, 2003 I haven't ever posted much not related to martial arts, but I thought I'd give this a try. For those that have seen the second Matrix what are your theories about how the third will play out? We now know the ONE is a controled anomaly and that Zion has been destroyed 5 times previous. We know that the ONE is also just another form of control the machines have over the humans. Agent Smith is inside the mind of a freed-human and causing havoc. Neo took the path that will supposedly lead to the destruction of every human being. Then, the movie ends with Neo taking out 5 sentinels with some sort of power--outside the Matrix. Anybody want to share ideas on what they think? "I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination.Imagination is more important than knowledge.Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world." Einstein
Drunken Monkey Posted June 16, 2003 Posted June 16, 2003 i probably think too much about things like this but... i think that the world they exist in is another matrix to give them the illusion of freewill. remember the thing about programs going beyond their original programming? well, the "neo" program has just gone beyond it's original parameters, hence the control in the supposed real world... post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
Shorin Ryuu Posted June 16, 2003 Posted June 16, 2003 I agree with the last post. You have to remember, the Wachowski brothers (apart from being huge anime geeks) are also philosophy majors or something like that and its very Nietzchean (I can't ever spell that man's name the same way twice) such as the only limits you have are those you confine yourself to. Choice is the essential expression of will, those who have choice have power and those that do not have choice (in actuality do not have power) etc. I like some of Nieztche's stuff and he does get a real bad rap because of how the Nazis twisted much of his works, but I don't agree with all of it... Martial Arts Blog:http://bujutsublogger.blogspot.com/
kchenault Posted June 16, 2003 Posted June 16, 2003 That seems to be the prevailing theme I hear from my friends at work. No one has really left the Matrix, just chosen to go to a different one. Therefore Neo has all his powers in the "Real World". Ken ChenaultTFT - It does a body good!
Martial_Artist Posted June 17, 2003 Author Posted June 17, 2003 But if the second matrix was true that would be a very illogical thing for perfectionist machines to do. Why would they fake drill to Zion and kill everyone when they could simply just pull the plug? If they can't handle the first matrix and are tricked into believing they are free in a second matrix why don't the machines just turn them off when they get annoying, instead of going through this big fiasco? That's my qualm about the second matrix theory. It just doesn't make sense. The Architect told Neo that the One was an anomaly and gave him two scenarios and two choices. 1 save zion and start over with 16+8. 2. every human eats it and the machines are able to accept the losses. Neo chose to fight the system. I think that's because the Architect was bluffing. I think Neo, through some means, has developed an ability outside the Matrix. The Architect did say that Neo was special, but inherently human so there would be things he could not understand. But, that statement also alluded to Neo having a greater connection to the machines. So, maybe Neo has the ability to affect Machines in the real world. However, I don't think he alone could fight 250,000 sentinels. I think the 3rd installment will resolve itself in not one part being wholly victorious over the other, but finding a harmonious co-existence. At least, such an ending was alluded to in the engineering area of Zion when speaking with the councilor. But, who can say? Also, if there was a second matrix it would incredibly hard to resolve in one movie the wasted story line of the first two. I mean they went through all this trouble to find Neo, free him, then to learn it was only a second matrix... Well, all good theories. It's a good flick. Looking forward patiently for the third. "I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination.Imagination is more important than knowledge.Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world." Einstein
karate_woman Posted June 17, 2003 Posted June 17, 2003 I guess if there is a second level of the Matrix, then the machines might not be the enemy at all, but a distraction. Might the truth be worse still? The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step. -Lao-Tse
kchenault Posted June 17, 2003 Posted June 17, 2003 (edited) It's some computer geek inventing a video game. Their existence is all a dream. I am of course kidding. Edited June 17, 2003 by kchenault Ken ChenaultTFT - It does a body good!
Tibby Posted June 17, 2003 Posted June 17, 2003 About the Matrix in a Matrix Theory- It is a good theory, but the main piece of evidence is the way Neo stopped the Squids. BUT, in a interview with Newsweek Magazine, Reaves said this was merely an Empathy with Machine that Neo has developed. But, it would made more since for the Architect to build a second matrix for the rebellious people, in let them FREE! So, we will find out soon enough.
daeinwolf Posted June 17, 2003 Posted June 17, 2003 What Neo did was remarkably like an EMF bomb that the ships are equiped with. Also, the man(Bane) that Agent Smith is in was in the same state that Neo was in. It was said that there was an EMF discharged during the attack and everyone was suspecting Bane/Smith to be the culprit. Could Bane/Smith have the same ability as Neo in the "real world"? I feel that the Matrix within a Matrix scenario is the most plausible. Besides, would the star of the movie really give away such a hint? That nulls one of the major theories that people developed after that cliffhanger of an ending. Sastimos---Joshua There are no limits.
Tibby Posted June 17, 2003 Posted June 17, 2003 I never though about that bane guy. good point! Remimber who a part of Neo was cpoiedon to Agent Smith, maybe Neo got that power from Smith. Yeah, the stars would try to keep it hush hush. But the way he said it in the interveiw, they didn't even ask him he brought it up, like it was just a fact. He didn't have to say a thing about it. We will see in Revo.
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