DarkClyde Posted June 12, 2003 Posted June 12, 2003 Hey everyone I would just like to start off by saying I'd like to keep this thread for those who believe in Ki and wish to discuss it. I've been reading for hours and all I see is it going back and forth. So for all of you who don't believe in Ki, great we got the message. We accept you don't believe in Ki and thanks. I know I only need to hear it once. "It's quite interesting..."
DarkClyde Posted June 12, 2003 Author Posted June 12, 2003 So now that that's out of the way. What do all you folk think about breathing techniques that pertain to building Ki? Just stuff that you people yourselves use and have found useful. I know there are a million Qigong books out there with every kind of action coupled with breathing as a sort of method but...You have the basics right: Sitting cross legged, back straight, in the nose out the mouth. Well you folks seem to have a lot to say so I'll leave you to it. Thanks "It's quite interesting..."
JerryLove Posted June 12, 2003 Posted June 12, 2003 What you describe is a basic relaxation technique... there are some energetic benifits, but as described it's not a sophisticated (read effective) qigong.... though it's a start. https://www.clearsilat.com
Kaju_influenced Posted June 14, 2003 Posted June 14, 2003 Acutually jerry if i read right breathing is the foundation of chi cultivation, in my qigong class that is the first step we must learn is breathing. Chi comes from our center of all energies most important our sexual energy which comes from the tan tien/ stomach, once higher levels have progressed ur chi transform to shen/spirit. Since i have not achievced such feats i cannot give proper advice to anyone however this is what i have understood from my sifu "Sweat more in the dojo,bleed less in the street"Kajukenbo fighters axiom.
JerryLove Posted June 16, 2003 Posted June 16, 2003 Qi follows Yi (intent). Simply deep breathing is not specifically moving qi. DarkClyde did not mention where to breathe from (which energtic entry points) or where to, or where out though (again energetically, not physically). He does not discuss imagry, nor connection, and he gives me the impression that he is unaware of these aspects. Qi comes from several locations, and is stored throughout the body (try opening the curtains and packing to feel it). The DanTien is well known for it's relatively unlimited ability to storehouse energy. It's not so much where it comes from, as where it resides until needed. The Chinese (and Indians and most others in the region) view it as the center of the body. The spirit meridian (the top-most of the 7 gates) is a connection to the outside world... again, I recommend the "opening the curtains" (aka "open the 7 gates") qigong excercise to get a feel for this. Also, I think the statement that these exercises require some particular level of advancement is fallacious. much of what many call "advanced" is pretty basic, and I cannot imagine learning without having... all you need is a basic feel and I could teach most of what I know in a week... though it might take a bit longer to get the feel for some of it (or might no), you could do that without any further instruction. https://www.clearsilat.com
DarkClyde Posted June 16, 2003 Author Posted June 16, 2003 No it's just a lot of the stuff I've read on hear is always talking about breathing and how important it is. Well most of us breath everyday, most of us all day. And there was no mention of how to breath so I offered the basics and hoped for some more detail. Everyone is all into Qigong and everything else but how do you breath? And like Jerry brought up with imagery etc. "It's quite interesting..."
JerryLove Posted June 16, 2003 Posted June 16, 2003 About the only commonality in most qigong breathing I can think of is that it's deep (from the stomach). Most of the Chinese-derived breathing I can think of is in and out through the nose (the exception being when using sound), the Japanese-derived stuff tends to be in the nose and out the mouth. Specific imagery and energetic locations vary heavily based on the qigong in question. A common one in qi building is circular... breathing in through upper gates (third eye or higher) and out through the feet. https://www.clearsilat.com
DarkClyde Posted June 17, 2003 Author Posted June 17, 2003 I'm asking because I am looking for similarities. And so far I've only found those basics ones that I first posted to hold true. "It's quite interesting..."
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