JKTT Posted May 30, 2003 Posted May 30, 2003 http://www.neurologyreviews.com/jan02/exerc.html I was messing around with google and I happened to come onto this site. What do all of you think about this? Do you believe it works? Any Experience? I believe that it could definitely work since the mind is capable of such incredible things.
AndrewGreen Posted May 30, 2003 Posted May 30, 2003 That is one study, more would be needed in order to reach a conclusion. I am vertainely not an expert in that sort of thing, but there are things I would immediately question. How was this measured? Was there an actual increase in muscle size/density? Or did they just learn how to use that muscle more effieciently? Did they remain relaxed, or did the muscle tense up (but remain still) in there training? Visualization is definately an important tool in sports training, but I very much doubt that it can lead to muscle increases. You can do this experiment on your own. Visualize yourself hitting the heavy bag for 15 minutes a day. But hitting through it with far more force then you are currently capable of. You will likely start hitting harder, but you won't be physically stronger. Andrew Greenhttp://innovativema.ca - All the top martial arts news!
SaiFightsMS Posted May 30, 2003 Posted May 30, 2003 Now does anyone wonder why I have said at times that Nuerologists are no better than witch doctors?
tommarker Posted May 30, 2003 Posted May 30, 2003 Earlier reports have demonstrated that quadriplegics, merely by thinking, can move a cursor to spell words on a computer screen... that's quite a bombshell. i'd imagine if that was true, I'd hear about it on CBS news, not karateforums.com I'm no longer posting here. Adios.
tommarker Posted May 30, 2003 Posted May 30, 2003 There is plenty of information out there in the sport psychology field about positive visualization. In that sense, I believe you can "think yourself strong" but that's about it. I'm no longer posting here. Adios.
SaiFightsMS Posted May 31, 2003 Posted May 31, 2003 There is biofeedback training done in terms of chronic pain relief. And I think very high level quads learn to move computer cursors with eye movement.
hobbitbob Posted May 31, 2003 Posted May 31, 2003 Now does anyone wonder why I have said at times that Nuerologists are no better than witch doctors?A quote from the wonderful world of emergency medicine: "Neurologists don't treat disease, they merely observe it." There have always been Starkadders at Cold Comfort Farm!
Synaesthesia Posted May 31, 2003 Posted May 31, 2003 No, I think neurologists are and have been essentially active participants in the mind. I think AndrewGreen has the appropriately skeptical attitude. This is only one study, and much more questions have to be posed before we stop going to the gym and start going to meditations. It's certiainly possible that there is a new mechanism at work, but it's possibly the result of things we already know about. Experimental error of some sort or unconscious increases in the use of the muscles upon which subjects were meant to focus. (It can be VERY hard for an individual to identify an increase in use while they are focusing on mentally using it, even if they specifically try to avoid it.)
Icetuete Posted June 1, 2003 Posted June 1, 2003 sounds like somekind of placebo effect to me... and a little too good to be true. nonetheless i guess "real" training is still more effectiv than this mind stuff.
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