ShotosChaos Posted August 15, 2003 Posted August 15, 2003 Great article, this helped answer a few questions that I had. I'd never really thought about bowing or meditating as being religious, just as gestures of respect or focusing your energy to perform better. I'm a Christian but never bring my beliefs on people in class, and I believe that knowing the ways of self defense is alright as long as you don't intend to hurt someone with what you learn.
ninjanurse Posted August 15, 2003 Posted August 15, 2003 Great article! It really is all about what is in your heart not how legalistic you can be about the "rules" of Chritianity. "A Black Belt is only the beginning."Heidi-A student of the artsTae Kwon Do,Shotokan,Ju Jitsu,Modern Arnishttp://the100info.tumblr.com/
kchenault Posted August 15, 2003 Author Posted August 15, 2003 Thanks to all who have read this article. Thanks especially to those who have commented. It means alot to me. Ken ChenaultTFT - It does a body good!
pmh1nic Posted August 15, 2003 Posted August 15, 2003 I always understood Christ's admonition to turn the other cheek as an instruction not to retaliate when insulted by returning an insult. Jesus specifically says that if someone strikes you on the "right" cheek to turn the other cheek. For a right-hand person to strike my right cheek would require a backhand strike or slap not meant so much to cause physical harm but intended to insult. "The longer I live the more convincing proofs I see of this truth, that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?" Benjamin Franklin
Lamonte Posted August 15, 2003 Posted August 15, 2003 Ken, Good article! I like your question/answer style and the easy-going manner in which you write. Under your meditation question, what some call meditation is actually visualization as you pointed out. Also meditation is not exclusively an eastern religious practice, there are distinct Christian meditation techniques in the Christian tradition. There are many Christian MA associations all over the USA - too many to mention. The dojo I attend is essentially a Christian TKD because of the instructors and the parent organization. Some well-known people in MA are Christian, such as Chuck Norris: http://www.connectionmagazine.org/archives_old/archives/2000/sept2000/newnorris.htm and Keith Yates, 10th Dan in TKD and well-published MA writer: http://www.a-kato.org/newsarticle.html BTW Keith Yates has a masters degree from Dallas Theological Seminary and wrote his thesis on "The Dymystification of Ki." Then there are many ministers, pastors or priests who also have Black belts in various MA. Charles Bouton is 9th Dan in Okinawan, 9th Dan in TKD, 9th Dan in Jujitsu, 3rd Dan in Aikido - and he is a Greek Orthodox Priest. Here also is an interesting article on the martial arts from a Christian apologetics organization called Christian Research Institute (CRI): http://www.equip.org/journal/contents.asp?Volume=61 Lamonte
shanemm Posted August 16, 2003 Posted August 16, 2003 People who complain about bowing, meditation, etc. in martial arts I think of the same way I think of people who protest movies...don't you have something better to do ? Seriously, you don't see people protesting horror books or films with spirits and ghosts in them but people will waiste their time going out and protesting a kid's film (Harry Potter) or martial arts that teach respect and gentleness in living as well as to defend yourself if you absolutely have to...please . Great article and here's a part of another article on Judo etiquette from judoinfo.com: Bowing Through very specific customs an orderly, functional and efficient method of conduct has been laid down for use in all Dojo. One of the very first items of etiquette which the Deshi (student) must learn is when they enter or leave any Dojo, they must perform a Ritsu Rei (standing bow) in and out of the Dojo. This Rei is not just a physical thing to do, but is also mentally done. By this I mean that when entering the Dojo each Deshi (student) clears his or her mind of all evil and negative thoughts, and feels good about themselves with the good thoughts in mind to be a better person for what they are about to learn, or what they have learned at the Dojo before leaving. The second time that they are required to Rei is when they are about to enter or leave the mat area. Also at this time their minds should be clean and fresh with desire to learn and to become at ease with themselves. The third time they Rei is before and after working out with a partner. This is done with much respect as you are asking your training partner for the pleasure of working out with you, also you are saying I come with a clean mind, and have no intention of hurting you; in the event I or you should suffer injury, no ill feelings shall exist between us. I don't think Christianity and Tai Kwon Do (as well as Judo in my case) counter eachother's beliefs. On the contrary I think they compliment eachother nicely both teaching respect and kindness over violence but still being able to defend yourself if need be. Once again great and very true article! There are two types of people in the world. Those that find excuses and those that find a way.-Unknown
Red J Posted August 17, 2003 Posted August 17, 2003 Good article Ken. I always saw bowing as a way to show respect or to greet someone. According to a quick internet search on Japenese customs, it is on a simular status as a handshake. I don't see it as any different in MAs. I think you made a great point that your beliefs, whether Christian or other, most likely will not be compromised in the pursuit of most MAs. I had to lose my mind to come to my senses.
Kamidake Posted August 17, 2003 Posted August 17, 2003 I think Christians who are afraid of innocuous things like bowing or Harry Potter or trick-or-treat are falling victim to Satan. Perfect love is supposed to CAST OUT fear, not make you afraid of everything you see!
btroadman Posted August 17, 2003 Posted August 17, 2003 Martial Arts is one thing, but books based on Witches and Warlocks, and Holidays created by Pagans is a little different. BJJ - Blue BeltTaeKwonDo - Brown BeltKrav MagaKickboxing
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