John G Posted March 11, 2003 Posted March 11, 2003 FinalHope, I agree with Kensai something like Wing Chun MuayThai Fighter, You have a lot to learn, haven’t you ever thought about what you would do if someone attacks you when your sitting down in a car, bus, train or plane. John G Jarrett III Dan, ITF Taekwon-Do
MuayThai Fighter Posted March 11, 2003 Posted March 11, 2003 FinalHope, I agree with Kensai something like Wing Chun MuayThai Fighter, You have a lot to learn, haven’t you ever thought about what you would do if someone attacks you when your sitting down in a car, bus, train or plane. Of course,but I'm still able to move.I can get up and fight.Or I can poke him in the eyes if he's behind me,or even try to flip him. But when you're in a wheel chair you can't get up and flip someone that attacks you from behind and if you miss when trying to poke him,he can do same back to you.At least in a regular chair I can still move around. Most people who are in a wheel chair can't move at all or just barely anyways. Besides not much you can do if a person applies a choke hold on you and you're sitting down. That's why I'm curious.Like I said ,I wasn't trying to be mean,I am just being curious.
ninjanurse Posted March 11, 2003 Posted March 11, 2003 I too am disappointed by the comments about Martial Artists in wheelchairs . I have personally had experience with a Jujitsu student who was paralyzed from the waist down who could kick *** in class. You don't need your legs to defend yourself and if you think otherwise you're not a true student of the arts. I hope you never find yourself in a position to have suffered injury to your legs in a fight .... That's my 2 cents worth!! "A Black Belt is only the beginning."Heidi-A student of the artsTae Kwon Do,Shotokan,Ju Jitsu,Modern Arnishttp://the100info.tumblr.com/
SaiFightsMS Posted March 11, 2003 Posted March 11, 2003 http://www.wwnet.net/~kc8hr/ Here is a link for the website for a guy who just happens to be a 4th dan in Isshin ryu Karate. He is legit as they come. He also happens to be a wheel chair user. And there is a guy named Ron Scanlon who does Kung fu Sans soo who would be happy to demonstrate that a person in a wheelchair can very easily handle someone who would be goofy enough to attack him from behind. http://www.upbeat.net/ROLLING/ROLLING.HTM http://www.blackbeltshop.com/kung_fu_san_soo_by_ron_scanlon.htm
SBN Doug Posted March 11, 2003 Posted March 11, 2003 MTF, Use your imagination. I know MT is a very stand up dependant art, but surely you could see how some form of JJ would be an ideal art for someone in a wheelchair. Take a non JJ person to the ground, and you've taken away the majority of their ability to use their legs advantage. Not to mention making adaptations to standing arts to allow for a sitting position application. Everyone should make the art they learn their own. That may mean something as simple as using all low kicks because you're not flexible, or as drastic as taking every kick out of the arsenal and replacing them with other techniques. Kuk Sool Won - 4th danEvil triumphs when good men do nothing.
TKDLadyInSC Posted March 11, 2003 Posted March 11, 2003 Final Hope, I had the same problem, I feel your pain!!! I still remember hitting a target with that toe one time when it was irritated. I broke out in a cold sweat. What type of surgery are you having? I had the edge of the nail on the side that was ingrown removed & the nail bed cauterized. Couldn't kick with that foot for about a month, but once it healed, felt great. After a while, the skin on the side pushed up against the rest of the nail that was left, and it looks completely normal. Go for it. Let the instructor know about it. You may not be able to kick anything or anybody with that foot until you get it fixed, but you will still be able to do kicks in forms where you just kick the air. Good Luck 1st Degree Black BeltTaeKwonDo
MuayThai Fighter Posted March 12, 2003 Posted March 12, 2003 I too am disappointed by the comments about Martial Artists in wheelchairs . I have personally had experience with a Jujitsu student who was paralyzed from the waist down who could kick *** in class. You don't need your legs to defend yourself and if you think otherwise you're not a true student of the arts. I hope you never find yourself in a position to have suffered injury to your legs in a fight .... That's my 2 cents worth!! Look bud I wasn't trying to be cruel,I was just looking for an explaination,so I don't give a shit if you find my comment disappointing. You say I'm not a true student of martial arts,ya right,okay bud you stick to your little katas and see if they really do any good in self-defense.
MuayThai Fighter Posted March 12, 2003 Posted March 12, 2003 MTF, Use your imagination. I know MT is a very stand up dependant art, but surely you could see how some form of JJ would be an ideal art for someone in a wheelchair. Take a non JJ person to the ground, and you've taken away the majority of their ability to use their legs advantage. Not to mention making adaptations to standing arts to allow for a sitting position application. Everyone should make the art they learn their own. That may mean something as simple as using all low kicks because you're not flexible, or as drastic as taking every kick out of the arsenal and replacing them with other techniques. Actually no I don't see how JJ can be an ideal art for someone in a wheel chair,you still need your legs.If I knew I wouldn't be asking how a person in a wheel chair can do M.A. Geeze,can't ask a simple fucking question and everyone freaks out and assumes I'm making fun of people in a wheel chair wanting to do martial arts. I don't know because I've never trained or been trained with someone in a wheel chair.
G95champ Posted March 12, 2003 Posted March 12, 2003 Durring college I helped my Sensei develope a self-defense program for a lady in a wheelchair. They are not going to win the UFC but self defense can be done. Just because the body don't work don't mean the mind, don't. The mind is the most dangerous weapon and the true martial artist knows this. (General George S. Patton Jr.) "It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that ensures victory."
G95champ Posted March 12, 2003 Posted March 12, 2003 MT Some of the thing we worked on. Lots and lots of wrist locks and Hapkido type escapes and locks. We tied in weight traing as part fo her in class training. When we did kicks or kata or something she obviously could not do. (we did make her a kata BTW) She would be doing arm curls, wrist curls, tricep work, wroking on her grip, etc. Because she could not change postions she had to have good strengh to match a male attacker. We also work with her on how to use her chair as a weapon. From running over toes, bumping into shins, using it as a shield etc.... Pressure Points were also a big part of the work we done. As was "dirty moves" 1. Such as Spitting in the eyes (gross but effective - she could laungh some lugies LOL) 2. Biting 3. Pinching 4. Groing Grabs and Pulls Then other simple things about being smart. She was a college student so she always had bag on her chair for books. She kept mace and a batton on her key chain she could get to quick. She got good with the batton. Although I had never worked with one nor had my Sensei we worked with her and she was very falsh with it. If you have ever played with a batton you know they pack a punch. As far as chokes thats really no problem. A front choke knock the arms off and roll back. A rear choke means they are bent over and off balance and you can back over them. Again train the mind before you train the body. Your questions had merit but you attitued in not just this post but many others makes you a prime target its not that MT is not a great art its just that their are many other just as good. There are many ways to get to the top of the mountian. If you want to get there quick MT is a good way but I like to see the trees as I climb up and understand how they grow and see other hikers and other ways back down if I get in troulbe. Again seeing the big picture is great but the little pictures that help make it up offer a lot as well. Keep an open mind and don't rush to words or the response like you got here will happen again. (General George S. Patton Jr.) "It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that ensures victory."
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