Kensai Posted February 12, 2003 Posted February 12, 2003 With the invastion and capture of the RyuKyu's in the 1600's. Could this be due to superior Samurai arts or poorly trained peasant class karatedo practioners? PS, not a Japan/Okinawa flame war.
Tobias_Reece Posted February 12, 2003 Posted February 12, 2003 I think you need to realise the powerful Okinawan combat forms such as Naha-te, Shuri-te and Tomari-te Your question is not reall a question, more of an inane babble. Please can you back up your original statement with some fact? "You Are Never Given A Dream Without Also Being Given The Power To Make It True. You May Have To Work For It, However"Principal Kobudo Instructor & OwnerWest Yorkshire Kobudo Academy2nd Kyu (Matayoshi Okinawan Kobudo, IOKA UK)
jiu-jitsu fighter Posted February 12, 2003 Posted February 12, 2003 i would probably say that the samurai were prob better armed and attacked in greater numbers, but i also heard from another source that the karatedo's got killed cause they were poorly trained, anyways good luck finding some real facts "When we go to the ground,you are in my world, the ground is the ocean, I am the shark,and most people don't even know how to swim"
Kensai Posted February 12, 2003 Author Posted February 12, 2003 I think the main problem is the complete lack of solid sword form. No other weapon comes close, other than possably the stave. The Okinwanan weapons are farming tools and not really any comparison to the elite weapons of the Bushi. There the fact............ The combat forms were ,although powerful, no match to the contact based Kenjutsu styles. The fact that the Okinwanans lost their island for some 400 years is proof enough? For reference try "the world truned upside down" by Pierre Fancois Souyri.
jiu-jitsu fighter Posted February 12, 2003 Posted February 12, 2003 where were the ninja when the okinawans needed them? "When we go to the ground,you are in my world, the ground is the ocean, I am the shark,and most people don't even know how to swim"
Kensai Posted February 12, 2003 Author Posted February 12, 2003 Indeed. But then again, even the great ninja did not overturn the Samurai!
kchenault Posted February 12, 2003 Posted February 12, 2003 No governmental law did. The outlawing of sword carrying pretty much brought the samurai to their lowest point. But class systems of government can't last anyway. The peasants always seem to rise up. Ken ChenaultTFT - It does a body good!
LeaF Posted February 13, 2003 Posted February 13, 2003 The samurai were trained for war, whereas the peasent were trained in self defense. There is a large difference here. THe peasents were not equiped or prepared for war, whereas the samurai studied it as an art and had a vaste expirence in it, as a sure you all know Goju Ryu Karate-do and Okinawan Kobudo, 17 Years Old 1st kyu Brown Belt in in Goju Ryu Karate-do, & Shodan in Okinawan KobudoGiven enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result.I AM CANADIAN
jiu-jitsu fighter Posted February 13, 2003 Posted February 13, 2003 the ninja did not overturn the samurai but it wasn't uncommon for a ninja to take out a sumurai every now and than "When we go to the ground,you are in my world, the ground is the ocean, I am the shark,and most people don't even know how to swim"
Kyle-san Posted February 13, 2003 Posted February 13, 2003 Superior numbers combined with training and experience would be my conclusion. Of course, that doesn't mean the Okinawans were completely defenceless, if you've ever watched some of the weapons forms in Okinawan styles it's easy to see how they'd work effectively against a sword or spear.
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