ramymensa Posted February 3, 2003 Posted February 3, 2003 kyle san LISTEN i was helping her technique the first hour of class the last 30 minutes is for sparring, thats that loiloi, not that i have found any, my class is really based on combat thats it, when i studied ninpo it was liek values and stuff, but in my bjj class its pure combatives, but in the other classes theres morals. There are morals in any style. In life there's such thing. From your posts I notice you are YOUNG, very young and think accordingly. What was the glory in beating a 27 year woman or making her feel like s...t because you god of MA, Bruce Lee or modern Mars can't get to her level. Think about it in another way. You can perfect yourself while teaching somebody else. Instead of making her hate you and despise you and look down on you from the height of her 27 YEARS you could have made her your friend. She could find a helping hand in you, a superior teenage who is so MATURE in order to teach her, the "princess". Imagine your succes in the class And I think she was wrong too because she worked with you despite your behavior. I hope you'll grow up, just to realise in order to become a true MAist one must be pacient, kind, and MORAL. I know you'll hate me for this post, but you really need to think more about it. Doing the same you already did won't help. You'll become hated and eventually expelled. Nobody wants trouble in the dojo And think in advance. You train hard ... perhaps you want to become an instructor ... then how would you deal with your students? Beating them and saying you won't get to their level? World Shotokan Karate
LOILOI44 Posted February 3, 2003 Posted February 3, 2003 ramy, that post had some very good points. I do agree with the fact that jjfighter is very young. I hope he grows and sees that there is more to martial arts than he has experienced. Also I don't know if we can pin all the blame on him. He said his instructor gets on him if he does not train at 100%. I think his enviornment is encouraging behavior like this. JJfighter, I was reading a thread where the discussion was things you would not tollerate in your dojo. You posted this: Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2003 12:56 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i will not accept the advanced belts throwing me around and i don't like to be pushed around by other people, _________________ kick,punch,throw,submit,run...... I find it strange that you did to her one of the things you can't accept. She was a higher rank than you in a different style, but in your style she is the novice. Also you weigh more than her by 20 lbs. You as a male produce more testosterone than a female. Even though you are around the same size, you are still much stronger than her. I don't believe in treating females different. I believe in treating each person different. I've trained with 13 year old males who are around my size. Does that mean that I am to go at them full force because they are similar in size to me? Just because you can really dominate somebody, does that mean you have to? Was your physical safety in danger, or just your ego? That is my real question. I just reread a post of yours and you said: "and she was definately used to my class because it was like her 4th time there" I wasn't used to my dojo 4 months after I was there. Is your dojo that young that where four classes makes you not a novice? I've been there almost two years, and I still consider myself a beginer. There are people in my class who have been there for 40, yes forty years. These are students, not the teacher. In my school if I would have throttled a new student who was there only 4 classes (regardless of what they studied before) he would have thrown me out of the dojo. If this is encouraged in your school I would rethink my training.
jiu-jitsu fighter Posted February 3, 2003 Author Posted February 3, 2003 ramymensa your so wrong my bjj class has no morals just plain training, and i didn't beat her, not once, she knew what she was doin and she was tough, im 17 and im not a baby, im goin to college in a few months, and im part of the canadian armed forces, (army reserves) so don't tell me to grow up. i didn't dominate her, she was just pissed cuz i put up too much of a fight for her "When we go to the ground,you are in my world, the ground is the ocean, I am the shark,and most people don't even know how to swim"
LOILOI44 Posted February 3, 2003 Posted February 3, 2003 Impresive resume. I know at 17 years of age I really knew nothing of the world or martial arts. I am not saying that is the case with you, but at 17 I thought I knew it all. It wasn't until a pair of brass knuckles and 6 hours of surgery changed my view. I hope you are spared the same fate before you see another side. Just so you know age does not make a man, actions do.
jiu-jitsu fighter Posted February 3, 2003 Author Posted February 3, 2003 yes and thats why i decided to join the reserves after i turned 17 , this summer im being sent to afganistan on a peace keeping mission , i never said i knew it all, what does your unfortunate story have to do with your comment, "When we go to the ground,you are in my world, the ground is the ocean, I am the shark,and most people don't even know how to swim"
LOILOI44 Posted February 3, 2003 Posted February 3, 2003 Now you are showing your age. You started this thread asking for advice. People have been trying to give you what I thought was fairly sound advice. I feel like you have done your best to dispute everything told to you rather than take some value from it. I hoped my story would let you see that there is a potential to be hurt with a bad attitude. No matter how bad you think you are, there is always somebody tougher than you. Why ask for advice if you didn't really want an answer?
Severe Matburn Posted February 3, 2003 Posted February 3, 2003 Advice, you ppl r being ridiculous. He had every right to do wat he did. She just couldn't take wat she dished out. And wat about morals? R y'all doin MA to wint he nobel peace rpize or to learn self-defense? alotta use ur morals will be on the street. But this isn't even about morals. She's older and just as big as him but with way more experience. Plus she's a full-contact fighter, and there is no reason she should be uncomfortable. And she likely wasn't. She was juss bein a ***** coz she was recieveing more resistance than she wanted. She prolyl looked at u and was like he's younger and less skilled than me and i sould be able to crush him. And when she wasn't, she threw a hissy fit. "razor elbows, killer knees, iron fists and monster kicks""Nice punch!!!, now let's see how well you punch with a broken arm"
jiu-jitsu fighter Posted February 3, 2003 Author Posted February 3, 2003 because all of you think there is a moral answer, help her out, or be nice , or better your technique while helping her, or shes new theres no excuse for her actions she was wrong, i wanted advice on how to handle the situation, not how to become friends, i have plenty of friends , i need competent training partners not , little miss "ooh slow down im only a girl". did any of you think she joined the all mens class to train or to pick up guys? hmmm maybe...... most of you were so ignorant, next time I will be much more clear, much more clear, and i get your point, about bad attitude, this guy harrased me at school so i took out my kali sticks at whooped his ass , he got hurt because he had a bad attitude, so....that doesn't happen all the time i wanted advice not, a lesson in how to treat others, i already learned that in kindergarten , "When we go to the ground,you are in my world, the ground is the ocean, I am the shark,and most people don't even know how to swim"
LOILOI44 Posted February 4, 2003 Posted February 4, 2003 because all of you think there is a moral answer, help her out, or be nice , or better your technique while helping her, or shes new theres no excuse for her actions she was wrong, i wanted advice on how to handle the situation, not how to become friends, i have plenty of friends , i need competent training partners not , little miss "ooh slow down im only a girl". did any of you think she joined the all mens class to train or to pick up guys? hmmm maybe...... most of you were so ignorant, next time I will be much more clear, much more clear, and i get your point, about bad attitude, this guy harrased me at school so i took out my kali sticks at whooped his ass , he got hurt because he had a bad attitude, so....that doesn't happen all the time i wanted advice not, a lesson in how to treat others, i already learned that in kindergarten , You don't see anything wrong with hitting a guy with sticks because he "harassed" you? Did he dis your colors too? I've read other posts of your's talking about fights you've gotten into. Maybe growing up in New York City made me realize that having a bad attitiude could get you hurt. I guess in Canada things are a different. It sounds like a nice place. I guess you don't see that learning a martial art comes with a certain responsibility. It is a weapon just like a gun. I'm not going to preach to you, or give you a lecture. You are not a baby as you claim. In the future don't ask for advice if you can't handle what people will give you. When a senior student gives you advice on your technique do try and justify what you did, or do you accept their advice as having value? I just hope I got you thinking
jiu-jitsu fighter Posted February 4, 2003 Author Posted February 4, 2003 severe matburn THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! absolutely i take their advice, yes canada is so pleasant, i go to a public school and by harrased i mean , he was picking on me, absolutely not, i hit him with my kali sticks because he was twice my size otherwise i would have used my fists/feet/elbows/ at least severe matburn gets it, "When we go to the ground,you are in my world, the ground is the ocean, I am the shark,and most people don't even know how to swim"
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