That little thing that just annoys you more than it should!

[JR 137]

What is funny and annoying is when the "full/hard styles" think that point tournament fighters dojo kumite the same as they fight in the point tournaments.

We used to have alot of "full contact" traditional styles come to train or even lead class. For some reason when it comes to sparring . The full contact students think our style does not have full contact dojo sparring which is totally different from the "RULES" one has to follow in a point tournament. most never came back to visit or train anymore.

Another thing is that most of the "legendary" street fighters in our state(which has a high concentration of great fighters) were the point system champions or boxers. not the hard contact styles. go figure that one out.

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Quite funny IMO. I've seen people bash Seido on several forums, saying its McDojo point sparring, Nakamura has gotten soft in his old age, he's sold out, etc. just because it's not bare knuckle anymore. He simply got tired of very good people getting injured constantly and being unable to train for weeks and months on end, and good people leaving because they were someone's punching bag for their first few years.

Then people see the annual Seido benefit tournament on YouTube and think that that's what we train for all year long. Complete nonsense. The tournament is a charity fundraiser, and it's a way to have fun, bring people from different places together, and break up the day to day monotony. There is a small group of people who seem to live for the point sparring in the tournament, but they're such a minority, they're statistically almost non-existent.

As far as level of contact, we free-spar and we determine the level individually. My teacher always says "I have no problem with people wanting to go hard. I encourage it. But remember who's in front of you, know their level of comfort, and don't hit harder than you're willing to get hit." There's several people I like to mix it up with. I usually lose to them, if there was a score card. There's also people there who aren't there for that, and I get as technical as possible with them, and try to do all the things I'm bad at/need to improve on. Makes for a very good mix, if you ask me.

Going on 8 months in my dojo, and I haven't seen nor heard of point fighting once. My previous school competed in 1 series of point fighting tournaments every year (AAU local, regional, and national). We had a separate dedicated class for that, added on on Saturday afternoons for anyone interested. It didn't take the place of anything else, nor did it elevate your status in the dojo or rank. If all you saw was the small group competing, you'd probably think that's all we did.

[JR 137]

People who are unwilling to actually do what is being taught are another very disruptive annoyance. There is no such thing as a non-contact martial art. How can one expect to learn to strike, grapple or throw or apply anything if one never has any contact at some point in training? These sorts of people have no business doing any martial art and are better off in an aerobics class or a knitting club. It is as nonsensical as wanting to learn to swim but refusing to get wet.

No such thing as a non-contact martial art? Tell that to these guys...

Quoted from http://www.wmakarate.com/rates-policies

"2) Do not spar unless under the supervision of the Instructor. During Free Style Sparring, NO OFFENSIVE CONTACT is allowed at any time. There are no kicks to the head, face, neck or groin area allowed. Contact shall be limited to the execution of a defensive move (Countering) during Free Style or Three-Step Sparring practice; provided however, that such defensive moves are properly executed with control and not intended to cause physical injury. NO CONTACT is allowed at any time except as set forth above."

What does that look like at the higher levels? This is allegedly a 5th dan test (not being sarcastic with the allegedly part; that's what it said)...

No copyrights that I saw in the video, posted the link to my quote, and didn't take more than a fair amount. I'm trying to get this right

[Bulltahr]

I've seen people bash Seido on several forums, saying its McDojo point sparring, Nakamura has gotten soft in his old age, he's sold out, etc. just because it's not bare knuckle anymore. He simply got tired of very good people getting injured constantly and being unable to train for weeks and months on end, and good people leaving because they were someone's punching bag for their first few years.

Going on 8 months in my dojo, and I haven't seen nor heard of point fighting once. My previous school competed in 1 series of point fighting tournaments every year (AAU local, regional, and national). We had a separate dedicated class for that, added on on Saturday afternoons for anyone interested. It didn't take the place of anything else, nor did it elevate your status in the dojo or rank. If all you saw was the small group competing, you'd probably think that's all we did.

Agree with you there, never do any point sparring at all in our dojo, it's all free sparring at an agreed level of intensity, typically leaving me with plenty of bruises to reflect on for the rest of the week..................

[JR 137]

I've seen people bash Seido on several forums, saying its McDojo point sparring, Nakamura has gotten soft in his old age, he's sold out, etc. just because it's not bare knuckle anymore. He simply got tired of very good people getting injured constantly and being unable to train for weeks and months on end, and good people leaving because they were someone's punching bag for their first few years.

Going on 8 months in my dojo, and I haven't seen nor heard of point fighting once. My previous school competed in 1 series of point fighting tournaments every year (AAU local, regional, and national). We had a separate dedicated class for that, added on on Saturday afternoons for anyone interested. It didn't take the place of anything else, nor did it elevate your status in the dojo or rank. If all you saw was the small group competing, you'd probably think that's all we did.

Agree with you there, never do any point sparring at all in our dojo, it's all free sparring at an agreed level of intensity, typically leaving me with plenty of bruises to reflect on for the rest of the week..................

I think what happens is people see 1 video on YouTube or the like and assume that's all everyone does, and all the organization consists of. Kind of like seeing the Kyokushin Open tourneys and thinking that's all there is to Kyokushin. Or watching an old style like Goju doing kata and thinking that's all they do.

[DWx]

For me, it's not so much something that happens in class but it is kind of related: people who jump on the bandwagon with fad diets and exercise regimes.

Healthy eating is of course very important but too many people hear that you should eat this superfood because... You shouldn't eat this food because... Take these pills to boost your levels... Drink only water collected by monks on the 5th Sunday of the month... And follow it religiously without properly examining the evidence.

I once had a room mate when traveling for a tournament spend the entire week eating (drinking?) only kale smoothies and an pill box full of supplements didn't seem much fun compared to my steak!

[sensei8]

People who are unwilling to actually do what is being taught are another very disruptive annoyance. There is no such thing as a non-contact martial art. How can one expect to learn to strike, grapple or throw or apply anything if one never has any contact at some point in training? These sorts of people have no business doing any martial art and are better off in an aerobics class or a knitting club. It is as nonsensical as wanting to learn to swim but refusing to get wet.

No such thing as a non-contact martial art? Tell that to these guys...

Quoted from http://www.wmakarate.com/rates-policies

"2) Do not spar unless under the supervision of the Instructor. During Free Style Sparring, NO OFFENSIVE CONTACT is allowed at any time. There are no kicks to the head, face, neck or groin area allowed. Contact shall be limited to the execution of a defensive move (Countering) during Free Style or Three-Step Sparring practice; provided however, that such defensive moves are properly executed with control and not intended to cause physical injury. NO CONTACT is allowed at any time except as set forth above."

What does that look like at the higher levels? This is allegedly a 5th dan test (not being sarcastic with the allegedly part; that's what it said)...

No copyrights that I saw in the video, posted the link to my quote, and didn't take more than a fair amount. I'm trying to get this right

NO CONTACT?!?

Imho, that's an oxymoron!! Contact WILL happen, no matter the rules set forth! Why? Because accidents happen. Most Karate-do teach contact, but it's controlled. I can attack with determined penetration, but I decide to stop just mere millimeters from said target because I CHOOSE to either full penetration or within a whisper from target; I'll arrest the technique or I won't.

After all, deflections/blocks require CONTACT of some magnitude!!

With those in the provided video, they will hopefully learn that the lack of contact will work against their MA betterment. While the no-contact philosophy might be an adoptive notion, they're not going to know how to properly react.

Kumite is NOT A DANCE; it's a serious training tool, and should be taken serious. Otherwise, GET OFF MY FLOOR!!

Edited October 25, 2015 by sensei8

[Maybetrue]

People who are unwilling to actually do what is being taught are another very disruptive annoyance. There is no such thing as a non-contact martial art. How can one expect to learn to strike, grapple or throw or apply anything if one never has any contact at some point in training? These sorts of people have no business doing any martial art and are better off in an aerobics class or a knitting club. It is as nonsensical as wanting to learn to swim but refusing to get wet.

No such thing as a non-contact martial art? Tell that to these guys...

Quoted from http://www.wmakarate.com/rates-policies

"2) Do not spar unless under the supervision of the Instructor. During Free Style Sparring, NO OFFENSIVE CONTACT is allowed at any time. There are no kicks to the head, face, neck or groin area allowed. Contact shall be limited to the execution of a defensive move (Countering) during Free Style or Three-Step Sparring practice; provided however, that such defensive moves are properly executed with control and not intended to cause physical injury. NO CONTACT is allowed at any time except as set forth above."

What does that look like at the higher levels? This is allegedly a 5th dan test (not being sarcastic with the allegedly part; that's what it said)...

No copyrights that I saw in the video, posted the link to my quote, and didn't take more than a fair amount. I'm trying to get this right

wow.

they must be in great aerobic shape though(seriously).

[Spartacus Maximus]

Sensei8 was quicker to reply, but his point expresses my thoughts also. Even if the rules are set to sanction, regulate or forbid contact, it cannot be completely avoided.

Contact might be intentional or accidental but it is in the nature of the activity. This is also true of team sports and any other activity where one must struggle against another person.

The possibility of getting hit somehow somewhere is high and must be considered by those who engage in said activity. One will get hit at some point and denying that is a foolish expectation. How hard one might get hit is just a variable and it depends on how seriously one trains as well as several other factors.

[sensei8]

People who are unwilling to actually do what is being taught are another very disruptive annoyance. There is no such thing as a non-contact martial art. How can one expect to learn to strike, grapple or throw or apply anything if one never has any contact at some point in training? These sorts of people have no business doing any martial art and are better off in an aerobics class or a knitting club. It is as nonsensical as wanting to learn to swim but refusing to get wet.

No such thing as a non-contact martial art? Tell that to these guys...

Quoted from http://www.wmakarate.com/rates-policies

"2) Do not spar unless under the supervision of the Instructor. During Free Style Sparring, NO OFFENSIVE CONTACT is allowed at any time. There are no kicks to the head, face, neck or groin area allowed. Contact shall be limited to the execution of a defensive move (Countering) during Free Style or Three-Step Sparring practice; provided however, that such defensive moves are properly executed with control and not intended to cause physical injury. NO CONTACT is allowed at any time except as set forth above."

What does that look like at the higher levels? This is allegedly a 5th dan test (not being sarcastic with the allegedly part; that's what it said)...

No copyrights that I saw in the video, posted the link to my quote, and didn't take more than a fair amount. I'm trying to get this right

wow.

 

they must be in great aerobic shape though(seriously).

For that, and that alone, I do thereby submit!!

[Hawkmoon]

Like many have posted I've a couple of pet hates, but to be honest the one pet hate that annoys me the most is ..

... karate feet!

You take your socks off and something that was once you drops out of your sock on to the floor ... it just looks like leprosy or something!

That hard skin your feet develop as you train .... gggrrrrrr!!

It turns my stomach really does!

But worse is still to come, you get a 'ped egg' and scrape the skin off, and now your feet burn when you goto teh dojo, or you have a good long soak and again your feet burn when you go training!