Karate Throws

[Judodad_karateson]

I'm an old, out of practice Judoka who is currently studying karate. Sensei has been taking us thought a few karate throws lately. What I found interesting was that most of the throws are more reminiscent of Aikido throws than Judo throws (from my so far limited knowledge of Karate throws, mind you). Thoughts?

[Titanium]

I am under the understanding that some karate organizations adapt its form from other MA's.

I think is good as it displays adaptablility; I find Wado closely related to Judo with throws.

All are different though.

[Wastelander]

Karate has always been a rather blended art, so you can find techniques in karate that are reminiscent of a variety of different systems. Of course, when you consider that there are only so many ways to affect the human body with another human body, there are bound to be similarities, anyway.

When looking at throws, there are some universal principles in play. Balance, momentum, and redirection are all key components. Despite that, Aikido and judo implement them differently. Karate tends to look at things differently, as well. I have seen some Aikido-esque techniques in karate, and I have seen some throws that were identical (or nearly) to what I learned in judo, and I have learned some throws that are more like what I have seen from Silat and Kali. Many of these methods can also be seen in Chinese shuai-jiao and chin-na. Look into all of these sources and compare the movements and principles to your kata, and you will find karate throws.

[armanox]

In my experience, the way the throws are taught has more to do with who trained in what more so then karate throws are more 'x' - most of the throws we do are more like Judo throws, but a cousin school of ours (same style/organization, but separate by two generations) you can very much see Aikido in their throws.

[sensei8]

I've always looked at throws in Karate more fluid, as to not be jerky and all. Transitioning in and out...side to side...angle to angle...and in the midst of it all, a throw is performed. While a Karate throw might not look like a polished Judo throw, the opponent is off balanced, if just for a brief second, and I can do a lot in a brief second. And for the most, sweeps, the sneaky mans throw, are more easier to perform over throws. In throws, you have to get personal and close, and not many karateka's like that; distancing, and all of that. Whereas sweeps, well, they'll get you when you least expect them...I like that!! Karate throws, imho, are just disruptions of the opponents movement(s).

[Judodad_karateson]

I've always looked at throws in Karate more fluid, as to not be jerky and all. Transitioning in and out...side to side...angle to angle...and in the midst of it all, a throw is performed. While a Karate throw might not look like a polished Judo throw, the opponent is off balanced, if just for a brief second, and I can do a lot in a brief second.

Yeah, exactly, that's kind of what I meant by describing this as Aikido-like. In the Karate throws I've seen, I'll see a flow of blocks and strikes, and somewhere in their someone get some kind of joint lock, and then BOOM, he is in the ground.

And for the most, sweeps, the sneaky mans throw, are more easier to perform over throws. In throws, you have to get personal and close, and not many karateka's like that; distancing, and all of that. Whereas sweeps, well, they'll get you when you least expect them...I like that!! Karate throws, imho, are just disruptions of the opponents movement(s).

Now sweeps on the other hand, the ones I've being taught, are very much like what I learned in Judo, but more focused on taking a striker off his balance than a grappler.

[Nidan Melbourne]

From my knowledge every style has taken what they have learnt from either judo or aikido or even jujitsu.

Someone who has a better understanding of Karate History can correct me here, but most of the "masters" had trained in another Martial Art before going their separate ways.

It was more for their own bodies that they added those particular throws/takedowns etc.

[Titanium]

From my knowledge every style has taken what they have learnt from either judo or aikido or even jujitsu.

Someone who has a better understanding of Karate History can correct me here, but most of the "masters" had trained in another Martial Art before going their separate ways.

It was more for their own bodies that they added those particular throws/takedowns etc.

A lot of senior Dan grades have at least (in my knowledge) trained in other disciplines too.

It's good to mix and use them to advance ones primary style.