1 explanation of the Chinte "Hop"

[Nidan Melbourne]

I found this a very interesting explanation of the "Hop" in the Shotokan Version of Chinte.

what do all of you think of Ian Abernathy's explanation of the "Hop" in this video?

[Kanku65]

What a coincidence that we had just been discussing this set of moves in class not 2 hours ago!

I dont believe it's the original intention of the kata, but clearly it works and is an excellent application to keep in mind. It makes a lot of sense really.

I've sent the video to my instructors to see what they think about it.

[Wastelander]

I can't really speak to how well it fits the intentions of the kata, since that isn't a kata that is part of my system. The whole "jumping to get back to where you started" could legitimately be why those jumps are in that kata, but there are other ways they could have adjusted the kata to make that happen without adding the jumps. Iain's application certainly seems reasonable, to me. I have also heard of it being applied as a jumping neck-crank from behind your attacker, which also seems reasonable. Someone I know who studies Onaga Sensei's Shinjinbukan system insists that it is a form of evasion, which I suppose it is, but it doesn't really make sense to me to use it in such a way.

[sensei8]

Sorry, I just don't agree with Ian's interpretation of the Chinte Hops. However, that's the beauty of Oyo: it's your OWN interpretation, therefore, it's Ian's interpretation!!

Having said that, I've not agreed with any interpretations of the Chinto Hops!! Explanations pale, imho, to these Hops, imho.

What Ian did by backing up was more agreeable, thus, it made much more since and kept it more compacted.

Imho!!

And no, I don't have a better explanation, because I don't even like what our Soke and Dai-Soke spoke towards the Hops either!!

It's, the Hops, are so strange, imho!!

[Nidan Melbourne]

I agree the Hops are very strange but whatever reason they were added must have been kept a secret of the person that created it.

[bushido_man96]

I agree the Hops are very strange but whatever reason they were added must have been kept a secret of the person that created it.

Maybe. That secret could have been that they didn't like the fact that the form didn't end where it started, and he fixed it by adding the hops. That's what I'm inclined to think, anyway.

But, that aside, I think Abernethy has come with some sound techniques to give some sense as to the "why" of the movements. I do think, however, that perhaps there are some moves in forms that just might not have a "why" to them.

[sensei8]

I had heard that the hops were added to ensure that you ended at the same spot were you began...I don't buy that either!!

[cathal]

What I was taught, and what I teach, are the hops are there to make you think creatively for bunkai.

Edit: spelling.

[DWx]

I had heard that the hops were added to ensure that you ended at the same spot were you began...I don't buy that either!!

What is your explanation for this move Bob? What did your Soke and Dai Soke teach?

(I have to say, watching this kata for the first time, this is a very weird movement!)

[Montana]

Maybe the guy that developed the Chinte kata had to pee real bad?

OK, I'm not sure if Chinte is based on the Okinawan Chinto, but here's a look at the Chinto that I do (a little different, but close) just as a comparison...no hops.