sensei8 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 *Sandan (3rd Dan):Once a student has earned Sandan, that student has seen and practiced the whole teaching syllaabus. In the case of Karate, for example, a Sandan should know the three K's well enough to teach them effectively to students up to Shodan (1st Dan).*Yondan (4th Dan):Often, Nidan (2nd Dan) and Sandan students are actually the best teachers in the style because they can still remember what it was like to be a beginner, and they are still diligent about teaching the syllabus unchanged. Also, if a student is expected to assume the role of the CI by Sandan, then they had better have pretty extensive practice at it prior to that time. Therefore, students should be getting progressively more teaching responsibilities starting at about Sankyu (1st Brown), and Sandans may have been teaching long enough to have Shodan students.*Godan (5th Dan):At this level, one should have been teaching long enough to have produced at least one student of Sandan level. If one wishes to train/teach/advance beyond Godan, then at such time, a Nanadan/Shichidan (7th Dan) should have at least one Godan student, and a Kudan (9th Dan) should have at least one Nanadan/Shichidan student.Is this premise politically correct, in your opinion, enough to open up a dojo/dojang/school of the MA? **Proof is on the floor!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupin1 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 I don't think promotions should be based on teaching ability. It may just be because I'm a teacher, but I think teaching's just one of those things that you've either got it or you don't. You can have someone who's an amazing practitioner but is a horrible teacher. You can also have people who aren't that great themselves but just have the gift for guiding and nurturing others. I think one's personal advancement and one's ability to teach should be separate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nidan Melbourne Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Some people might be a good karateka but they may not be a good teacher. In terms of teaching Dan Grades, the teacher should be experienced in knowing the syllabus and be able to teach the art effectively. My sensei is a sandan and he has 2 nidans and several shodans. and he is also teaching a few sandans privately to help them prepare for their yondan grading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteyrAUG Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Every school has different criteria and I don't think a "one size fits all" example would work best for every style.But as a general rule all technical movements have been satisfied by 5th dan. With rare exceptions there are no advanced techniques or kata required to move from 7th to 9th dan.Pretty much everything after 5th dan is a politically promotion. If you wrote one of the first books in English about your style, if you were going to oversee one of the first dojo established in a new country or anything like that you will likely be promoted to a higher grade.Other than that it's mostly just a promotion to bishop then cardinal and seeing who will one day be the next pope of the system. Not ready for prime time signature removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensei8 Posted March 2, 2014 Author Share Posted March 2, 2014 I don't think promotions should be based on teaching ability. It may just be because I'm a teacher, but I think teaching's just one of those things that you've either got it or you don't. You can have someone who's an amazing practitioner but is a horrible teacher. You can also have people who aren't that great themselves but just have the gift for guiding and nurturing others. I think one's personal advancement and one's ability to teach should be separate.To the bold type above...I concur wholeheartedly. My OP is more of speaking about one's basic teaching requirements AFTER said promotion has been earned. **Proof is on the floor!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensei8 Posted March 2, 2014 Author Share Posted March 2, 2014 Some people might be a good karateka but they may not be a good teacher. In terms of teaching Dan Grades, the teacher should be experienced in knowing the syllabus and be able to teach the art effectively. My sensei is a sandan and he has 2 nidans and several shodans. and he is also teaching a few sandans privately to help them prepare for their yondan gradingTo the bold type above...Absolutely!! Not all BB can teach, nor should they be. **Proof is on the floor!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensei8 Posted March 2, 2014 Author Share Posted March 2, 2014 Every school has different criteria and I don't think a "one size fits all" example would work best for every style.But as a general rule all technical movements have been satisfied by 5th dan. With rare exceptions there are no advanced techniques or kata required to move from 7th to 9th dan.Pretty much everything after 5th dan is a politically promotion. If you wrote one of the first books in English about your style, if you were going to oversee one of the first dojo established in a new country or anything like that you will likely be promoted to a higher grade.Other than that it's mostly just a promotion to bishop then cardinal and seeing who will one day be the next pope of the system.Solid post!!To the first bold type above...My OP was a general overview and not style specific at all. Can't have a cookie cut that will fit any style outside of ones own and/or governing body.To the second bold type above...Very true. By Godan, that's about it. However, the style I practice must be the rare occasion that you speak about because there are "advanced" techniques for Nanadan and Hachidan.To the third bold type above...In the style I practice ALL ranks up to Hachidan ARE not politically awarded; must test for them all. Isn't the world of MA ranks...well...strange?! **Proof is on the floor!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteyrAUG Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Isn't the world of MA ranks...well...strange?! Depends how much stock you put in them.I have seen 7th and 8th dans in their early 20s that I'm not certain I would give shodan grades to. I also know guys in their 50s and 60s that know more than 95% of the other martial artists I know and they are often wearing only a 5th dan grade. Not ready for prime time signature removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensei8 Posted March 2, 2014 Author Share Posted March 2, 2014 Isn't the world of MA ranks...well...strange?! Depends how much stock you put in them.I have seen 7th and 8th dans in their early 20s that I'm not certain I would give shodan grades to. I also know guys in their 50s and 60s that know more than 95% of the other martial artists I know and they are often wearing only a 5th dan grade.Absolutely!! All ranks should respect said given context; nothing less and nothing more. **Proof is on the floor!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nidan Melbourne Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Some people might be a good karateka but they may not be a good teacher. In terms of teaching Dan Grades, the teacher should be experienced in knowing the syllabus and be able to teach the art effectively. My sensei is a sandan and he has 2 nidans and several shodans. and he is also teaching a few sandans privately to help them prepare for their yondan gradingTo the bold type above...Absolutely!! Not all BB can teach, nor should they be. We have a few shodan-ho's (provisional Black Belts) and a few 1st Kyu's that should not teach at all for a few factors. 1) they have a lack of patience and empathy.2) Lack of maturity 3) can't perform the basics effectively nor explain them well4) massive ego's5) generally unpleasant (they don't care about what everyone is doing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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