Any side effects to being choked out?

[Samn01]

Another newby was choked out at BJJ last night as he didn't tap (not sure he knew to tap tbh) I was a little surprised when it happened, but the instructor reassured me that its just part of BJJ and happens all the time.

I was almost tempted not to tap yesterday just to see 'what would happen' as I've not been chocked out before.

How often are people choked out at your club and are there any side effects / dangers that you are aware of?

[Wastelander]

Another newby was choked out at BJJ last night as he didn't tap (not sure he knew to tap tbh) I was a little surprised when it happened, but the instructor reassured me that its just part of BJJ and happens all the time.

I was almost tempted not to tap yesterday just to see 'what would happen' as I've not been chocked out before.

How often are people choked out at your club and are there any side effects / dangers that you are aware of?

I've never gone all the way out, but I've gotten pretty close--vision going dark and sparkly, and starting to close in. As far as I'm aware, healthy people do not generally have any problems unless the choke is held for an extended period of time (15 seconds or more is what I've always heard) after they lose consciousness. I have heard of people having strokes caused by built-up and released pressure to the neck, which dislodged plaque or a clot in their blood vessels, but I don't believe it is a common issue.

[Harkon72]

Choking is very Dangerous, it can cause damage to the wind pipe and larynx, it can cause blood clots in the lungs, brain damage due to lack of oxygen and stroke. It's nothing to be played with. Toughing it out can Kill you.

[pittbullJudoka]

Choking is very Dangerous, it can cause damage to the wind pipe and larynx, it can cause blood clots in the lungs, brain damage due to lack of oxygen and stroke. It's nothing to be played with. Toughing it out can Kill you.

Most of your BJJ chokes you should be cutting off air as they are blood chokes. So damage to the wind pipe and larynx shouldn't be an issue. Gene LeBell chokes people out all the time and I've never heard of anyone having any ill effects. I personally choked a guys out about a year ago and as soon as I realized he was out I let the the choke go. I'm sure if you held the choke for too long it would become a concern as your partner is not getting blood to their brain.

[bushido_man96]

I was choked out by Royce, to get the experience of it. It was a very gradual process, and I got the sensation of everything closing in, going dark, and then coming to. If the choke is released properly, there should be no ill effects. Bad things happen if it is held too long, which is negligence on the part of the person applying the choke.

[ShoriKid]

Youtube video that you will never hear the end of in the gym? Learning exactly when you should tap? Unless someone holds the choke on way too long there isn't much danger. Most incidents involve under lying heath issues that the choke brought to the fore.

[Nidan Melbourne]

Choking is very Dangerous, it can cause damage to the wind pipe and larynx, it can cause blood clots in the lungs, brain damage due to lack of oxygen and stroke. It's nothing to be played with. Toughing it out can Kill you.

Most of your BJJ chokes you should be cutting off air as they are blood chokes. So damage to the wind pipe and larynx shouldn't be an issue. Gene LeBell chokes people out all the time and I've never heard of anyone having any ill effects. I personally choked a guys out about a year ago and as soon as I realized he was out I let the the choke go. I'm sure if you held the choke for too long it would become a concern as your partner is not getting blood to their brain.

Actually whenever you apply a choke onto a person there is always a risk that your going to damage the windpipe + larynx.

My sister works in a hospital as a doctor and she has seen that people have crushed windpipes due to a person applying a choke to someone too hard.

if you hold onto the choke after someone has passed out for too long (more than a few seconds) you are at serious risk of giving the person irreversible brain damage.

when you apply a choke to someone and they are struggling, their blood pressure increases dramatically. If they unknowingly have a blood clot or plaque buildup somewhere in their body, and you choke them out there is the risk that they can dislodge and cause a stroke or heart attack.

But what some schools fail to do is teach beginners when to tap. when i started BJJ the instructors made sure we all understood when to tap and if we are applying a choke or lock or anything like that we have to let go immediately. and also we were told to keep an eye on our partner so we can let go if they aren't tapping

[bushido_man96]

I am curious if there has been any report put together on how many deaths have occurred due to non-negligent choke-outs?

[sensei8]

Can be quite damaging!! I'd suggest that great care should be taken when teaching and learning said chokes, and in that, any other technique that would cause unconsciousness. Merely to do it just to do it is irresponsible across the board. A qualified instructor should supervise to protect the students without any reservations.

[tallgeese]

There's defiantly danger if the choke is applied improperly. By working the front of the throat instead of the blood flow you can damage the soft tissue structure there.

Properly applied, most choking techniques attack the vascular structures along the sides of the neck. This means that even though unconsciousness results you're not damaging the next long term.

Now, if you're partner decides to hold on till oxygen deprivation starts killing brain cells then you've got a real problem that can get fatal. It's also murder, not a fault of the tactic.

There's a really good lit review from a department in Colorado, Colorado Springs I think, that details several studies about damage incurred by the use of lateral vascular neck restraints (cop speak for chokes) on combative suspects.

This found extensive evidence that no long term damage occurred when the tactic was applied properly. The review cited several studies done in LE departments AND judo circles for about 100 years.

A really well controlled use of force review was conducted by Canada's National Police concerning its efficiency and potential to injure suspects. Again, this really well controlled and peer reviewed study points to a distinct LACK of injury to suspects when used properly. It's worth checking out.

Again, the catch phrase here is properly executed. However, I'll point out that we're talking about cops doing these tactics not trained martial artists. Unfortunatly, cops don't get nearly the training you'd think in these matters. PPCT, one of the big prepackaged programs out there, has a requirement of around 100 repetitions to initial training and somewhere around 40 yearly to re-cert. LVNR (the registered company) runs slightly higher reps but not substantially more.

The point being that if cops are doing this well enough with minimal injury, a trained martial artist should be able to utilize it without injury. The bigger issue would be you tube ninjas trying to emulate what they see. Then I can see real problems.