Jack Posted September 30, 2002 Posted September 30, 2002 Bicep Curls are a poor movement that do not build much strength by weightlifting standards. Try Pullups or Dips with a heavy weight belt around your waist, they'll build you some 'Functional strength' very nicely. Either way, these Power stones sound exactly like normal weight equipment just in a different shape and more traditional - how is moving a stick with concrete on the end going to prove more effective than moving an iron bar? The idea of adding more concrete on the end is the idea ofm progressive resistance, something strongly featured in weightlifting that you were shrugging off. Now it appears in a traditional form you consider doing it, even though it is basically the same thing, overloading your muscles with tension from an external weight, just in an old package. They are probably just as effective as each other. What are some of the drills you do with these stones? Tell me, what was your routine like in Weightlifting? Chances are you got the sets wrong, the reps wrong, or the wrong movements for building good strength. Weightlifting takes a lot of research to do properly, you can't just pick up a dumbell and hope you'll get big. On another note, I did try those combat conditioning exercises for one week. I noticed an increase in my Bench Press(chest and tricep muscles) but my Military Press(shoulder) and Pullup gains were minimal, infact the number of Pullups I could do was reduced. Leg strength increased slightly, about as much as another week of weight training would have increased. I do however, now include Hindu Squats and Back Bridges at the end of my leg/back workouts. My weight remained the same. Ps. forgive harsh tone of this message, I'm writing this on a monday morning before school. JackCurrently 'off' from formal MA trainingKarateForums.com
Jack Posted September 30, 2002 Posted September 30, 2002 Also, what is fancy about an iron bar? JackCurrently 'off' from formal MA trainingKarateForums.com
Eye of the Tiger Posted September 30, 2002 Author Posted September 30, 2002 Again I'm more of the try it yourself than the research type. I just prefer them. I'm glad you like the combat conditioning exercises, pull ups are strange and are not featured in the combat conditioning book. I will try doing the weights with the chishi for a month and see how I feel. My teacher whos hobbie is Anatomy and phisiology is encouraging me to give the weights ago as he sais that to get the most strengh ou need a combination of both body calisthenics as well as weights and then goes on about the great Masutatsu Oyama who could man handle bulls and killed them with one mighty knife hand strike used rocks and lifted them hundreds of times ti increase his strengh as well as doing plenty of clasithenics. I just like the chi shi because it cheap as all you need is a streong stick and a bucket of concrete on the end and you can just keep adding, just very recouseful. Chi= strengh shi=stone by the way have you founbd that a combination of both body calisthenics and weights are good.
Jack Posted September 30, 2002 Posted September 30, 2002 A combination of bodyweight calisthenics and weights must work well, since you have the ideas of endurance, flexibility, strength stamina, and possibly speed with calisthenics, with the speed and great strength correct weightlifting will give. A good combination. Incorporating both into a routine may be difficult due to recovery time needed after exercise. Perhaps a workout may go something like this.. Upper Body: Bench Press Pullups Military Press Hindu Pushups Lower Body: Squats Deadlifts Calf Raises Hindu Squats Back Bridge They can work together well I think if you incorporate them into the same workout, spreading them out onto diffierent days makes it a lot more difficult with days for rest and recovery. JackCurrently 'off' from formal MA trainingKarateForums.com
Eye of the Tiger Posted October 1, 2002 Author Posted October 1, 2002 I also use bamboo sticks to condition my body as another example of traditional Goju Ryu methods. I also use wrist/ank;e weights when I do kata. The chishi exercises are that of a stick like a strong broom handle that goes up to the height of your knee with a large weight on the end. When ever you pick up the weight you always pick it up from a squatting position anmd then lift it up using the whole body. Then you just do different movements such as swing round the body and putting it over your head and back but the whole point of the chishi exercises is that you strenghen the whole body in one exercises with each exercises placing more tension i n different areas but in all of them you never isolate a body part for example a bicep curl is isolating other muscles. The thing is if you just did weights you woulod not be at all effective at mastering your own body weight, you need a combinastion. buy the way is following a rep range important or can you juist try and lift and lift till you can do a certain amount of reps like 20 and thenyou can start to add more weight or what, also why do people do 2 knuckle pushups we do it in karate?
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