Quadricep Hematoma

[bigpopparob2000]

I was at a sparring class one week ago, when I took a nice solid knee to my right thigh. Now, I have a quadricep hematoma, a very deep muscle bruise. Has anyone here ever had this injury? How long did it take to recover?

[Traymond]

It took about a month for it to go away with me....but I dont remember that fancy name being used...I was just told that my bruise at the quadricep was extremely deep.

[Kuma]

I used to get them very often when I first began taking hard leg kicks. They took 1-2 weeks usually. Just gross to look at, nothing really bad with it otherwise. As long as you don't poke it to make it change colors (guilty!) it should go away in a short time.

[Traymond]

I used to get them very often when I first began taking hard leg kicks. They took 1-2 weeks usually. Just gross to look at, nothing really bad with it otherwise. As long as you don't poke it to make it change colors (guilty!) it should go away in a short time.

I think thats what took mine so long, is because I always use to mess with it to make it change colors...haha....I'll have to remember to not do that so much next time.

[bigpopparob2000]

Just gross to look at, nothing really bad with it otherwise.

Was it just cosmetic with you? It's been a week, and there's still some swelling. More aggravating is that my leg is still fairly stiff. I can now move it maybe 50% throughout its normal range of motion, but training is still out of the question. I don't mind the discoloration, but I'm starting to get cabin fever.

[Kuma]

Stretch it a few times a day, ice it, and maybe try some tiger balm or Ben Gay. Sounds like you took a good solid shot.

[timtak]

There are a couple of threads on thigh injury (hematoma/haematoma) all of them old. Another here below

http://www.karateforums.com/bruised-vien-vt32718.html?highlight=hematoma

But still I take the liberty of posting on one of these old threads since it seems to me that it helps to keep information in one place.

I got a haematoma 3.5 weeks ago. I think I excercised and massaged too much such that I kept on opening the vein and bleeding more into my leg. I am not sure. I am now being really gentle.

Earlier I wrote the following

1) A full on Japanese karateka recommends strapping lower leg to thigh that night. If you can do this then you will likely be able to extend your leg the next morning but if you sleep with straight leg, and in general, the problem is the inability to bend at the knee. However, strapping the lower leg to the thigh while there is still damage to the veins sounds like it could be dangerous, leading to DVT and death.

2) There are Chinese herbal potions such as Zheng Gu Shui　which I have not tried but are available cheaply though the internet. I don't know what they do but I have ordered some. It arrived. It smells a bit like Vicks Vaporub (eucalyptus) and has a similar anaesthetic efficacy to Japanese poultices. It works better on the superficial bruises to my ribs.

3) Stretching and or exercise such as swimming, jogging and cycling are generally recommended so long as you are not going to increase /re-start haemorrhaging. That said, at least one poster has suggested that exercise can increase one of the worse outcomes - the blood turning to bone. Still, I am cycling.

4) Blood letting while still liquid, or injecting blood thinners (e.g. heparin) and then blood letting, or surgery is used. The haematoma YouTube videos are gross! I am going to try natural for a while longer but there are people saying that getting the blood drained before it clots works for a lot quicker recovery. I may go to a hospital to discuss this if my leg does not get better in a week or two and immediately post trauma should it happen again. I did go to a hospital but was told that no local hospital would perform this operation unless the hematoma had solidified and required surgery.

5) I have found that using my heated shiatsu massager (like a spring tipped soldering iron with the diameter of a banana) can work the gunky blood around in my leg to get it fluid enough to allow (3). These are cheap on auction in Japan https://goo.gl/td34HL This continues to work well. Cold massage takes longer. When I am not near my heated massager I put hot water in a PET bottle and massage myself with that.

6) Pain killing poultices such as generally sold for muscle pain in Japan (Banterin etc) are minimally effective in what they say they do but may help (3).

7) When I was dehydrated with a hangover my leg froze solid, so not boozing and fluids are a (no brain?) good idea.

For bruises some are recommending natural blood thinners, such as onion and garlic. I like onions so I am doing that. Asprin might also be an idea as it thins blood as it reduces pain.

9) There are haematoma taping videos on YouTube. I have not tried (other than the compression with icing immediately after the strike). I have now tried taping, immitating the kinesio taping videos on youtube, using a tape in a hand with long fingers shape. This may help to reduce the effect of gravity (see 11 below) as does a simple bandage compression.

10) Bromelain as found in pineapple and some meat tenderisers can be applied topically. I have not tried this either.

11) Elevation seems to help since otherwise gravity puts the jello blood sludge in one place where it fills the gap between the muscles and thus restricts movement. This may natures way of getting the injured to lie down. I find that lying with my thigh vertical helps improve mobility. I could ride my bike again after 15 minutes of digital cold vertical thigh massage, as opposed to about half that with my hot massager seated. Conversely after a few minutes of standing, at a convenience store mid ride for instance, it becomes difficult to ride again.

But now I going back to really resting my thigh since I ruptured the vein again I think cycling. This is taking a long time.

[bigpopparob2000]

There are a couple of threads on thigh injury (hematoma/haematoma) all of them old. Another here below

http://www.karateforums.com/bruised-vien-vt32718.html?highlight=hematoma

But still I take the liberty of posting on one of these old threads since it seems to me that it helps to keep information in one place.

I got a haematoma 3.5 weeks ago. I think I excercised and massaged too much such that I kept on opening the vein and bleeding more into my leg. I am not sure. I am now being really gentle.

Earlier I wrote the following

1) A full on Japanese karateka recommends strapping lower leg to thigh that night. If you can do this then you will likely be able to extend your leg the next morning but if you sleep with straight leg, and in general, the problem is the inability to bend at the knee. However, strapping the lower leg to the thigh while there is still damage to the veins sounds like it could be dangerous, leading to DVT and death.

2) There are Chinese herbal potions such as Zheng Gu Shui　which I have not tried but are available cheaply though the internet. I don't know what they do but I have ordered some. It arrived. It smells a bit like Vicks Vaporub (eucalyptus) and has a similar anaesthetic efficacy to Japanese poultices. It works better on the superficial bruises to my ribs.

3) Stretching and or exercise such as swimming, jogging and cycling are generally recommended so long as you are not going to increase /re-start haemorrhaging. That said, at least one poster has suggested that exercise can increase one of the worse outcomes - the blood turning to bone. Still, I am cycling.

4) Blood letting while still liquid, or injecting blood thinners (e.g. heparin) and then blood letting, or surgery is used. The haematoma YouTube videos are gross! I am going to try natural for a while longer but there are people saying that getting the blood drained before it clots works for a lot quicker recovery. I may go to a hospital to discuss this if my leg does not get better in a week or two and immediately post trauma should it happen again. I did go to a hospital but was told that no local hospital would perform this operation unless the hematoma had solidified and required surgery.

5) I have found that using my heated shiatsu massager (like a spring tipped soldering iron with the diameter of a banana) can work the gunky blood around in my leg to get it fluid enough to allow (3). These are cheap on auction in Japan https://goo.gl/td34HL This continues to work well. Cold massage takes longer. When I am not near my heated massager I put hot water in a PET bottle and massage myself with that.

6) Pain killing poultices such as generally sold for muscle pain in Japan (Banterin etc) are minimally effective in what they say they do but may help (3).

7) When I was dehydrated with a hangover my leg froze solid, so not boozing and fluids are a (no brain?) good idea.

For bruises some are recommending natural blood thinners, such as onion and garlic. I like onions so I am doing that. Asprin might also be an idea as it thins blood as it reduces pain.

9) There are haematoma taping videos on YouTube. I have not tried (other than the compression with icing immediately after the strike). I have now tried taping, immitating the kinesio taping videos on youtube, using a tape in a hand with long fingers shape. This may help to reduce the effect of gravity (see 11 below) as does a simple bandage compression.

10) Bromelain as found in pineapple and some meat tenderisers can be applied topically. I have not tried this either.

11) Elevation seems to help since otherwise gravity puts the jello blood sludge in one place where it fills the gap between the muscles and thus restricts movement. This may natures way of getting the injured to lie down. I find that lying with my thigh vertical helps improve mobility. I could ride my bike again after 15 minutes of digital cold vertical thigh massage, as opposed to about half that with my hot massager seated. Conversely after a few minutes of standing, at a convenience store mid ride for instance, it becomes difficult to ride again.

But now I going back to really resting my thigh since I ruptured the vein again I think cycling. This is taking a long time.

Wow! I made this post so long ago. I was randomly looking through the forums when I saw that someone posted a reply recently. Thank you for your input. For what it's worth, I made a full recovery via a combination of a lot of bed rest, slowly recovering my range of motion, walking, & slowly rehabilitating my leg with body weight squats. It was a maddeningly slow process, but I made it back to 100%.