Taking orders from a higher but MUCH younger grade.

[ninjanurse]

I use push-ups for motivation only....motivation to go faster, follow the rules, get better at push-ups!!!!! Adults rarely need motivation but kids are a special case....I actually have kids )and adults) who love to be "motivated" and ask for more push-ups in class!!!! Punishment at my school is usually more along the lines of sitting out (for egregious violations) or a verbal retort either publicly or privately depending on the circumstances. Positive peer pressure can work wonders if handled properly!

To answer the question: Junior students of any rank are not permitted to "discipline" another student and the same goes for adult colored belts. Mutual respect is the expectation for all students regardless of age/rank.

Black Belts must be 16 and certified to be able to teach a class and only then are they allowed to "discipline" under the authority of the Chief Instructor.

[joesteph]

Punishment at my school is usually more along the lines of sitting out (for egregious violations) or a verbal retort either publicly or privately depending on the circumstances. Positive peer pressure can work wonders if handled properly! . . .

Mutual respect is the expectation for all students regardless of age/rank.

A more enlightened approach, in my mind. Much more along the lines that I would call appropriate, whether applying to child or adult.

[bushido_man96]

I have heard the school of thought stating that push-ups should never be given as punishment; something about associating punishment with more physical improvement work not working out in the mind, or something.

I think that sitting out might be more appropriate, like ninjanurse suggested. However, both have their drawbacks. But, punishments aren't supposed to be fun, and I guess some kind of consession has to be made.

[Tiger1962]

In my opinion, when it comes to corporal punishment, if I had students that were misbehaving in class, instead of giving them push-ups or sit-ups, I'd simply make them do their worst form or technique repeatedly & off to the side of the class. This is what I consider USEFUL "punishment" in that they are improving a technique they are weak in while also being "punished" (if you really want to call it that), while the other students might be in the middle of learning something new.

I think it's a more productive type of punishment. Then, if they are really unruly or uncooperative, I'd just make them go home.

[bushido_man96]

Good strategy, Tiger1962, killing two birds with one stone, huh?

[Tiger1962]

Good strategy, Tiger1962, killing two birds with one stone, huh?

yep

...*if* I was bad in class, that's how I'd like to be punished.

[granitemiller]

There must be a clear distinction between a junior BB and an adult (under BB). White Owl commented about a junior BB giving orders and being on a "power trip", which can certainly happen when the youth feels their rank gives them the right to boss the adults around.

[Tiger1962]

There must be a clear distinction between a junior BB and an adult (under BB). White Owl commented about a junior BB giving orders and being on a "power trip", which can certainly happen when the youth feels their rank gives them the right to boss the adults around.

Unfortunately, not all schools have or go by a distinction between junior black belt and adult black belt. Some schools loop them all in the same.

[sensei8]

I'd have a tough time taking sd instruction from him. A 13 yo kid just dosn't have the life experiance and probilby not the adult triaining required to adaquately present that kind of material.

It's that kind of situation that keeps us from awarding bb rank in the combatives of our art until at least 16. Even with that, I think the youngest to ever reach bb status was 19 or so.

This 13 yo kid may not have the life experience, but, this 13 yo kid does have the technical capibilities per this kids Sensei.

[KarateEd]

I have required young students to sit down and forgo participation for a period of time when they were unable to follow the rules. I have done this outside of MA training, also, in an after-school academic program and when substituting at the middle school level. Seemed to work rather well.