bushido_man96 Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 I find it much harder to kick with shoes on (except the lightweight MA type shoes)When I kick with footwear on, especially work boots, I just lower my kicks, especially to the thigh area. I just use that extra weight to add a little bit more momentum to my kick. And my legs are heavy as it is. https://www.haysgym.comhttp://www.sunyis.com/https://www.aikidoofnorthwestkansas.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobA Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 My Sensei teaches both and states it depends on the situation, barefoot the ball is very effective, while in shoes the instep will be more natural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KNOCKuOUT Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 Kick with the instep only to the groin area. Anywhere else and damage could be done to he foot. For all other kicks anywhere else. I use the shin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraditionalDan Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Anywhere else and damage could be done to the footDo you mean damage to the foot? If so, I disagree. The ball of the foot can take and do great damage if trained properly. Brighton Shotokan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Kick with the instep only to the groin area. Anywhere else and damage could be done to he foot. For all other kicks anywhere else. I use the shin.The groin area, certainly. But also the inside/outside of the thigh, inside/outside/back of the knee, stomach, ribs...all are "soft" targets and can bet kicked with the instep without hurting your foot. The shin is for more closeup techniques generally. Ball of the foot is to get around an arm, or to penetrate more into the torso. If you don't want to stand behind our troops, please..feel free to stand in front of them.Student since January 1975---4th Dan, retired due to non-martial arts related injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryDelldo Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 We're taught to use all 3.Instep for sparring mostly.Ball of foot in street, or real world applications. Our reason's for this is because depending on what shoe's you are wearing it can be difficult to point your toe's.Shin's are more of a real world use, but while using your shin your losing reach, so we are taught to use this when already in very close proximity with the attacker.My 2 cent's. ~Angry~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilgollum Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 As far as I am aware, In shotokan the ball of the foot is the striking surface. I have seen the top of the foot in TKD style kicks, and the effectiveness of each can (and probably will) be debated endlessly without sufficient evidence, testing, and scientific proof. In other words, the shotokan way it with the ball of the foot. When you are free-sparring it ends up being your own personal preference.Pro-instep kickers warn about how you can break your toes if you don't kick with the instep, but if you pull your toes back (which might take practice to de enough) no harm will come to your toes.I have found that kicking with the instep hurts my ankle, because the intense shock bends it back farther than is comfortable, but this is only my personal experience, and is probably due to my poor technique with instep kicking. I'm sure a practiced TKDer would have similar qualms about kicking with the ball of the foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushido_man96 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 I have found that kicking with the instep hurts my ankle, because the intense shock bends it back farther than is comfortable, but this is only my personal experience, and is probably due to my poor technique with instep kicking. I'm sure a practiced TKDer would have similar qualms about kicking with the ball of the foot.Even being a TKDer, I do a lot of board breaking with the ball-of-the-foot round kick. I really wind it up, though. I do most of my sparring with the instep, but I land more with the middle of the foot area, as opposed to closer to the toes. Try that, and see if that changes anything for you.I find that kicking with the ball of the foot is heavily reliant on the angle of attack that you have. Many times, when sparring straight up, you don't have that angle, unless you get it with some footwork (which is a good idea, if you have the strategy to set it up). https://www.haysgym.comhttp://www.sunyis.com/https://www.aikidoofnorthwestkansas.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Treadaway Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 I am 99% of the time going to use the instep. Instep is more natural, has better reach, and is faster. I here people saying its easily broken if you kick a hard spot, such as the knee, but I never intend on roundhouse kicking someone in the knee, thats just stupid with whatever part of your foot you use. If i am going to kick to the knee its going to be a thrust kick or a dragon kick..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimi Posted July 12, 2007 Share Posted July 12, 2007 our sensei has us practice using ball of the foot for any basic exercise (even with partners) but once we cross-over into a more sparring exercise he tells us to use instep just for safety in case you lose control (we should also be able to use ball of the foot). *He who would study Karate-Do must always strive to be inwardly humble and outwardly gentle. However, once he has decided to stand up for the cause of justice, then he must have the courage expressed in the saying, 'Even if it must be ten million foes, I go!'* Funakoshi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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