Ten BJJ moves every cop should know...with a twist

[bushido_man96]

I would check the departments policy on RNC, a lot of deparments don't allow any type of chokes unless deadly force is justified. It may be hard to defend your self in court if you choke someone out while in a dominate postion ie on the back.

The major thing is that you have to justify just about anything physical that happens in court. Personally, I think I would take my chances. Choking someone out will actually cause them less harm than busting them up. Besides that, it probably won't happen that often, as you will have all kinds of back-up within a matter of seconds.

[ninjer]

I would check the departments policy on RNC, a lot of deparments don't allow any type of chokes unless deadly force is justified. It may be hard to defend your self in court if you choke someone out while in a dominate postion ie on the back.

Technically all the chokeholds in jiu jitsu are strangleholds in that they cut off your blood and not your air. It would be easily justifiable in that the perp would be alive and well shortly after being used.

The leglocks thing Im not fond of, simply because leglocks are offered when someone tries to defend with their legs (i.e. guard) and most people have no guard at all. Moreover, your goal is to subdue your attacker, not cripple him, and chokes will be your best option.

If I were to chose 10 myself:

1: Double leg

2: Pummeling to achieve double underhooks

3: Bump and roll escape from the mount.

4: Elbow escape from the mount.

5: Guillotine choke (from poorly executed takedowns, i.e. tackles)

6: Stand up in base from guard

7: RNC

8: Kimura from guard (should a perp reach for the firearm)

9: Standing headlock escape

10: headlock escape from the ground.

[ps1]

Even strangulations/ lateral vascular restraints are considered lethal force. I'm not saying I agree with it, just putting in out there. Most police wouldn't be allowed to use them. On the other hand, what's a few days suspension or maybe a fine if it saves your life and ends a bad situation quickly. I think, as long as the "perp" wasn't injured, it would hold up well in court.

[bushido_man96]

I think you are correct, ps1, as long as the officer can provide some certification of abilities (i.e., rank, years of experience) in court, and articulate it well.

[kenpo4life]

Okay, after 13 years on the mat, here is my take

Forget the double. Changing levels on concrete or ashpalt can do bad things to your knees. Use a Greco_Roman, Judo or Thai clinch to bring it to the ground.

Elbows are likely a good option from the top although one can be rolled easily. Especially since most schools dont allow elbows in practice

Kimuras can be good, but in my experience, most people dont have what it takes mentally to pop an arm. They are often so far removed from the mindset that they wont be able to muster it in a fight. Practice does NOT make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect.

Same with RNC, most people expect the tap when they lock it in. They are not prepared to see or hear a person slobbering and choking and whatnot.

Leglocks are quick but often engage too many body parts of yours in a street fight. Expect that your opponent has a friend nearby

[Ottman]

Hmmmmm, BJJ moves I would use in a fight . . .

Well whatever I need to I guess. Hard to make a top ten list when I'm not sure what I'd be in position to use. I'd probably default to Aiki Ju Jitsu techniques unless things really started escalating. Then it would be all about control of position, and less about submissions and stuff like GNP. No need for me to use offensive techniques if the other guy can't hurt me either right? I'd probably just maneuver to stay on top and let the opponent gas himself trying to struggle his way out. Lots easier to control position if you aren't trying to submit someone. Way less to think about.

Also better for a cop to control things this way. As others have mentioned, as a cop, you probably have backup on the way, so just keeping control of the situation until it arrives is all you'd need to do.

In the case of multiple attackers:

As a cop, I'd draw my gun and wait for backup before getting into a fight. That seems to bring an escalation to a halt, although I'm not sure what the rules are for cops drawing their weapons (must be a ton of paperwork at least)

As a civilian, I'd take the shortest route out of there. If that means taking an attacker out who was in my way, so be it, but I wouldn't be sticking around to 'test' my BJJ skills if I'm not forced to.

[Trock]

Chokes are great, and I prefer them. But they took the choke (aka L.V.N.R.) away from most of us in Florida. The choke is now primarily for a deadly force encounter.

In an active combat situation as a cop, ideally you want to create distance allowing you to transition to a secondary weapon (Taser, OC Spray, Baton, etc). If that's not possible, then you have to use the necessary force to stop the threat. Also things greatly change if the attacker attempts to take the officer's radio or any of his weapons...then it's game on.

Most (MOST, not all) fights in a police capacity go to the ground for a brief time until a back-up officer arrives. The problem is most departments dont train a back-up officer what to do when they show up. If I am on the ground with a subject and primarily have his upper body controlled, then I want the second officer to immobilize the subject's legs. Restricting someone's lower body doesn't take much strength and its frustrating to the subject. If the top and bottom are controlled, then hopefully the third officer is close and can move in, handcuff one hand, and then use pain compliane with that one cuff to get the other hand secured.

ThePhenom, your list isn't all that far off, and actually you're right...those skills would be great for every officer to know...even though some are not as practical as others. I wouldn't do a double leg takedown on the street, but I might inside a house where I have some carpeting and the room to do it without hurting me...screw the bad guy.

Cops dont always have the opportunity to GnP, but it would still be GREAT to know for that one time you do need it. The elbows are a good skill though. I have seen many officers break their hand on a subject or even by missing the subject and punching the street. There are so many little bones in the hand, I would prefer to strike with the elbows and knees.

[repz]

The Ten Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Moves Every Police Officer Should Know

these probably have helped them tremendously even knowing only 10 moves!

So here's the twist, if you could only know 10 moves for a street encounter what would they be, they can be grappling or striking oriented.

for me it would be basic and frequent positions that you get stuck in.

1. Doublelegtakedown (good to know how to take it to the ground)

2. GnP (knowing how to throw elbows from on top)

3. Mount position

4. Knowing how to kimura the top man from guard position

5. RNC

6. Leglock ,easy to finish them off with after the double

7. Counter to the Headlock

8. Knowing how to keep opponent in the closed guard

9. Countering the shirt grab, with a wrist lock

10. Knowing how to close the distance and get to the clinch

From here the encounter could be finished like this easily:

Tackle them with a double and easily finish them with a leglock or mount them, throw some elbows, let them roll over and proceed to choke them out with a RnC.

So what are your ten moves in a street encounter?

BJJ is a good form of combat in a rule setting one on on encounter. Outside the streets, i doubt its effectiveness when compared to other styles.

As for being a cop, taking someone down an grappling on cement is never an option, the ground hurts, an to many MAs, ground grappling happens by mistake. You dont want to be rolling aroung where you can get your gun swiped away, or the guy whips out a hidden knife an stabs your gutt.

An those moves you listed would sure look cute on channel 5 news, when they tape a cop elbowing someones face in or applying a leg lock. Cops need basic self defense techniques, wrist locks an takedowns.

[NightOwl]

Supposedly these are Judo techniques that were developed for the tokyo police force...how good they are I don't know (it seems to me like they are more for leading a suspect already mostly under control than anything else). Mostly the take downs I see by police are of the dog pile type- it works though