wats the difference???

[french fri25]

hey everyone,

i have been wondering and kind of have this feeling that moo duk kwon is kind of like tae kwon do, with more tradition and not sport oriented. i was just wonderin if you guys could clear that up because my sabumnin teaches hapkido and tae kwon do but says he bases his tae kwon do around more of a traditional method instead of a sport oriented method and said that it is actually more like moo duk kwon that he teaches because mdk is based around more realistic fighting methods rather than how to score points.

could someone please give me some info about the difference between moo duk kwon and tae kwon do?

thanx in advance

french fri25

[bushido_man96]

I have heard of Moo Duk Kwan as both Taekwondo and Tang Soo Do. I think it is a result of one of the early Kwans that were combined in 1955 to form TKD. However, it has made it into TSD and TKD systems, and pre-dates the point-scoring method you talk about, which would be the WTF, which was formed (I believe) after the split between North and South Korea.

[ninjanurse]

I studied Moo Duk Kwan at one time and it was TKD. I don't recall TSD ever being mentioned and the forms were not even close to the TSD forms I already knew-I believe they were ITF but I could be wrong...that was 26 years ago!

[bushido_man96]

I studied Moo Duk Kwan at one time and it was TKD. I don't recall TSD ever being mentioned and the forms were not even close to the TSD forms I already knew-I believe they were ITF but I could be wrong...that was 26 years ago!

I think that TKD and TSD are very similar, in that they have serveral different braches out there. It just depends on which branch you get into to. Some are very different, and some are very similar.

[ninjanurse]

Definitely similar!!

I started in TSD and had a very easy transition to Moo Duk Kwan. I believe that all styles share similar characteristics, and that while the journey may be different, the goal is the same. We all arrive at a place where the blending of styles becomes indistinguishable!

[JWLuiza]

The Moo Duk Kwan (School of Martial Virtue) pre-existed Tae Kwon Do. The founder of the Kwan called his art Tang Soo Do, the korean pronounciation of Kara-te. During the Korean push to form a national art, the Moo Duk Kwan chose to not fall under the Tae Kwon Do umbrella, remaining a seperate entity. TSD MDK schools at the time (like some other Kwans) were using Shotokan or Okinawan based forms.

Some Moo Duk Kwan schools splintered from TSD MDK and joined the TKD organization. Hence, there are TKD MDK schools. These schools either use the Shotokan OR TKD forms. But they retain some heritage to the TSD MDK.

They may or may not focus on realistic sparring.

Those who remained with the TSD nomenclature mostly do the Shotokan or Okinawan based forms (except for schools associated with Kim Ki Whang who also do some chuan fa influenced forms) and almost look like korean shotokan.

Unless you are part of the Soo Bakh Do Federation you no longer do Moo Duk Kwan... your style is based on TSD MDK prior to the changes made in the Moo Duk Kwan syllabus.

[french fri25]

hey thanx guys, some good info. i realized that many korean arts are very much alike. thanx for givin me some info about the differences.

french fri25

[bushido_man96]

Definitely similar!!

I started in TSD and had a very easy transition to Moo Duk Kwan. I believe that all styles share similar characteristics, and that while the journey may be different, the goal is the same. We all arrive at a place where the blending of styles becomes indistinguishable!

Very good point!! I agree with you here.

[bushido_man96]

The Moo Duk Kwan (School of Martial Virtue) pre-existed Tae Kwon Do. The founder of the Kwan called his art Tang Soo Do, the korean pronounciation of Kara-te. During the Korean push to form a national art, the Moo Duk Kwan chose to not fall under the Tae Kwon Do umbrella, remaining a seperate entity. TSD MDK schools at the time (like some other Kwans) were using Shotokan or Okinawan based forms.

Some Moo Duk Kwan schools splintered from TSD MDK and joined the TKD organization. Hence, there are TKD MDK schools. These schools either use the Shotokan OR TKD forms. But they retain some heritage to the TSD MDK.

They may or may not focus on realistic sparring.

Those who remained with the TSD nomenclature mostly do the Shotokan or Okinawan based forms (except for schools associated with Kim Ki Whang who also do some chuan fa influenced forms) and almost look like korean shotokan.

Unless you are part of the Soo Bakh Do Federation you no longer do Moo Duk Kwan... your style is based on TSD MDK prior to the changes made in the Moo Duk Kwan syllabus.

That is great info. A nice history lesson. I would like to learn more about the lineage and history of the Tang Soo Do, but TKD is so popular, that it seems to be the only literature I can find, as far as Korean arts go.

Thanks for sharing this information.

[JWLuiza]

That is great info. A nice history lesson. I would like to learn more about the lineage and history of the Tang Soo Do, but TKD is so popular, that it seems to be the only literature I can find, as far as Korean arts go.

Thanks for sharing this information.

You are welcome. Interestingly, Wikipedia has a decent entry on Tang Soo Do, check it out!