Shotokan-kez Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 In our club stance such as horse and cat stance are really used in kata, it gives strength and power and is great for balance. For fighting i dont expect that someone would automatically go into cat stance but a freestyle fighting stance that is comfortable to them. Walk away and your always a winner. https://www.shikata-shotokan.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsey Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 I was told that the horse stance came from soldiers learning to fight from horseback, so that all they could use was their arms.who told you that? that's not true. "Gently return to the simple physical sensation of the breath. Then do it again, and again, and again. Somewhere in this process, you will come face-to-face with the sudden and shocking realization that you are completely crazy. Your mind is a shrieking, gibbering madhouse on wheels." - ven. henepola gunaratana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Fisher Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 I was told that the horse stance came from soldiers learning to fight from horseback, so that all they could use was their arms.who told you that? that's not true.I have never heard of that either. Brandon FisherSeijitsu Shin Do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiffy Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Just to clarify, it's not "Horse Stance", it's "Horse Riding Stance". It has nothing to do with the legs of a horse, it's the shape your legs form when you sit on a horse. A lot of Katas are taught with this stance because back when they were created, people had to fight from horse back. As for cat stance, as mentioned, it's not really anything to do with a cat, but has been given the name for the sake of convenience.All stances have practical use if you know what you're looking for. The mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkerlineage Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Just to clarify, it's not "Horse Stance", it's "Horse Riding Stance". It has nothing to do with the legs of a horse, it's the shape your legs form when you sit on a horse. A lot of Katas are taught with this stance because back when they were created, people had to fight from horse back. Oh! Oh! What now!!? Maybe Parkerlineage isn't so crazy... American Kenpo Karate- First Degree Black Belt"He who hesitates, meditates in a horizontal position."Ed Parker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Fisher Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Just to clarify, it's not "Horse Stance", it's "Horse Riding Stance".This is true and I can confirm that. Eveer in my 13 years of research have I heard that karate was used from horse back ever. Keep in mind the creators of karate were farmers and fishermen. They worked on their hands and knees in the fields or on boats in knee deep water fishing. Now if they used that stance to help from getting knocked over in the water from the strong waves and or current I could believe that. But never once did I hear about fighting from horseback. I know the samurai did that to some extent but even then not a great extent. Do you guys have a viable source on the kiba dachi usage that I can see? Brandon FisherSeijitsu Shin Do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsey Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 i really don't buy the idea that kiba dachi comes from horse riding; if you look at the techniques performed in kiba dachi in the kata; none of them would make sense if the practitioner was on a horse. "Gently return to the simple physical sensation of the breath. Then do it again, and again, and again. Somewhere in this process, you will come face-to-face with the sudden and shocking realization that you are completely crazy. Your mind is a shrieking, gibbering madhouse on wheels." - ven. henepola gunaratana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkerlineage Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Okay, so maybe I'm half-crazy then - it at least came from horses... American Kenpo Karate- First Degree Black Belt"He who hesitates, meditates in a horizontal position."Ed Parker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelaG Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Do you guys have a viable source on the kiba dachi usage that I can see?Yes, as I said before Kiba Dachi drops the body weight. All stances are transitional - the work is done in getting into the stance. Tokonkai Karate-do Instructorhttp://www.karateresource.com Kata, Bunkai, Articles, Reviews, History, Uncovering the Myths, Discussion Forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushido_man96 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Do you guys have a viable source on the kiba dachi usage that I can see?Yes, as I said before Kiba Dachi drops the body weight. All stances are transitional - the work is done in getting into the stance.In TKD, we have kind of abandoned the animal names of the stances. Instead, the name of the stance reflects the weight distribution of the legs:1. Front stance-most of the weight to the front leg2. Back stance-most of the weight to the back, 70%/30%.3. Rear stance (aka "cat" stance")-most of weight to the back leg, 90%/10%4. Middle/sitting stance (aka the "horse" or "horse riding" stance)-weight distributed 50%/50% https://www.haysgym.comhttp://www.sunyis.com/https://www.aikidoofnorthwestkansas.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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