Acrabotics + Martial Art (jumpy)

[Eric_]

My recomendation for finding such an instructor? PHONE BOOK!

If there's someone teaching this sort of gymnastics in your area, it shouldn't be too hard to find them. Searching internet yellow pages will make the process even faster. Just call around, and you can probably come up with something to your liking.

[Jiffy]

Funny as anything! Terrible self defence situation though!!!

**Guy lays down to force ground fight. Guy standing up kicks him in the head while he's already down*** HAHAHAHA

[elbows_and_knees]

if you wanted to learn some flippy kicks in an MA, take up capoiera. before people say its not effective, if done right, i beleive it can be very effective. its done as a dance cos the slaves that developed it werent allowed to fight, but take it back to somplicity when required and some of those kicks could be deadly.

capoeira is actually very effective. I train and spar with capoeira guys on a regular basis. People buy into what they see on tv and video games...

[jaymac]

I think capoiera could be very effective. These individuals are crazy flexible and strong. Their kicks are powerful. One would have a tough time defending themselves against someone who flipped upside down and used all that momentum to kick you in the face.

[Zorbasan]

after watching the making of ong back the other night, there is one scene where this style of fighting is used, and while i know that it is all choreographed, people still got hurt when contact was made.

[Jiffy]

Yeah the techniques work, there's no debate over that. The problem is, in the heat of the moment, you don't get the time, opportuntiy or opening to execute them. Not as far as my experience is concerned. Also, in the heat of the moment, your ability to perform complicated acrobatic acts is greatly reduced.

[parkerlineage]

I concur completely, Jiffy.

[Zorbasan]

true, but the arts you have been trained in you have the muscle memory of a one shot kill art (shotokan), however, if you trained in capoiera for as many years as you have done karate, you will find that your muscle memory will have you doing the evades and attacks from that art.

it may not be as flashy or acrobatic as what it is in practise, but it probably one be as solid as karate either.

[Jiffy]

Muscle memory does come into it as you mentioned, and yes that will resolve the situation to some degree, but regarless, stress will reduce the persons ability to complete complex or fine motor movements.

Therefore, theoretically, if you have two equal people training equally as hard for equally as long, but one is training in an art that uses complex movements and one is training in an art that uses simple movements, under stress, the person who has trained in an art with simpler movements has a higher chance of being able to apply what they have learned than the other person will.

That's not to say that what they have learned is a better art, it just means that under stress, they will be more likely to apply it as taught.

Also, the more complex the movement, the more things that can go wrong.

[elbows_and_knees]

Yeah the techniques work, there's no debate over that. The problem is, in the heat of the moment, you don't get the time, opportuntiy or opening to execute them. Not as far as my experience is concerned. Also, in the heat of the moment, your ability to perform complicated acrobatic acts is greatly reduced.

like I said above - people get use to what they see on tv and games and think that's all there is. some regional groups get into all the flash, but our group - nacao - does not. You will learn the acrobatic stuff eventually, but EVERY class is spent working basics repeatedly. capoeira has a lot of headbutts, evasion and elbows_and_knees. basic kicks are the crescent, roundhouse, front thrust and hook kick.

However, FWIW, I've used a jumping roundhouse in a fight, and it landed. I saw a buddy of mine - a tkd black belt - knock someone down with a spinning side kick in a fight.

As for the ability to perform acrobatic moves in the heat of the moment, when under stress and adrenaline dump, the body forgets that which is not ingrained into it. If the acrobatic moves are what's ingrained, that's what you will use. At the time I used the jump roundhouse, that was one of my favorite techniques and I drilled it all the time.