I don't disagree with that. but in my days training cma, I have personally seen grappling as the most effective way to learn how to defend against grappling.

They say that the people who are the best at defending the takedowns are the ones who know how to do the takedowns/grapple.

Again, I say, "To defeat something, one must first understand it."

I probably heard that from someone, somewhere...

for people want to see san shou fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6MnGc2sAtk

Liu Hai long, is considered probably the best sanshou guy in China.

this one is a different San Shou guy against best Muay Thai (in my humble opinion), Buakaw

last one is against one of the best from kyukoshin.

Edited September 8, 200619 yr by kzshin

I agree with that, and at the same time I don't. Before I took BJJ, I was into Tang Soo Do, and as usual would cross train with other martial artists, because I believe that to be a good idea.

Anyway, a friend of mine by the name of Andy, who was an aspiring Marine and a member of the Michigan Extreme Team (HS Wrestling) participated, and I seemed to deal with him exceedingly well.

It really depends on how well you read someone and how you're trained to deal with it. He only actually took me to the ground twice, and both times I grabbed his hair and proceeded to elbow his jaw. The second time I got my legs around him and used a *gasp* pressure point lol. Pressed my fingers above his nipple when he tried to get in close to my chest, made him back off.

so, are there any major differences between san shou and muay thai?

I remember San Shou having lots of protective gear: Head,Chest,Shin & Gloves. After watching those videos maybe things have changed.

so, are there any major differences between san shou and muay thai?

san shou

allows throws

utilizes different strategies and prefers the sidekick to the front kick

because throws are allowed, people tend to attempt throws from the clinch instead of elbows_and_knees

derived from kung fu

muay thai

prefers elbows_and_knees from the clinch

does not allow throws, however some takedowns are acceptable

prefers the teep to the sidekick

there are other differences, but this is a start.

I remember San Shou having lots of protective gear: Head,Chest,Shin & Gloves. After watching those videos maybe things have changed.

maybe you saw amateur fights?

so, are there any major differences between san shou and muay thai?

big differeneces.

I remember San Shou having lots of protective gear: Head,Chest,Shin & Gloves. After watching those videos maybe things have changed.

Check out those video link I post earlier.

maybe you saw amateur fights?

I think he probably saw amateur fights too.

Yes, the san shou I saw was amateur.