MizuRyu Posted August 9, 2006 Posted August 9, 2006 As much as I love Kung Fu, I'm started to question more and more it's prowess in real combat. Every video I've ever seen, unless there is an insanely drastic difference of skill between the 2 combatants, I see the KF practitioner almost always reduce himself to a simpleton. It's in KF's idealistic nature to be aggressive, as with all arts, but for some reason it's never put into practice. They always hesitate and wait for that one moment where they figure their mind will flip some sort of switch and they'll react to something, and by the time they're done backing away it's too late. Some teaching methods need to be rethought... "They look up, without realizing they're standing in the palm of your hand""I burn alive to keep you warm"
MizuRyu Posted August 10, 2006 Author Posted August 10, 2006 If the kickboxer hadn't shown a complete and total display of incompetence I would call that Wing Chun practitioner ready for ring combat. But such isn't the case. As said in the post it came from, the kickboxer seemingly had no idea what he was doing. Like I said: drastic difference in skill level aside. "They look up, without realizing they're standing in the palm of your hand""I burn alive to keep you warm"
bushido_man96 Posted August 10, 2006 Posted August 10, 2006 This question needs to be looked into deeply. I don't like to make generalizations about arts, so perhaps with some digging we can come up with some more subjective information. https://www.haysgym.comhttp://www.sunyis.com/https://www.aikidoofnorthwestkansas.com
alsey Posted August 10, 2006 Posted August 10, 2006 yeah, i've never quite understood kung fu. i've fought kung fu guys and well, they were all much easier to defeat than kickboxers, TKD guys or other karateka. like bushido man i don't like to make generalisations, this is just an observation from my experience.my guess is that most kung fu schools don't use effective training methods for the types of sparring used in kickboxing or karate. "Gently return to the simple physical sensation of the breath. Then do it again, and again, and again. Somewhere in this process, you will come face-to-face with the sudden and shocking realization that you are completely crazy. Your mind is a shrieking, gibbering madhouse on wheels." - ven. henepola gunaratana
elbows_and_knees Posted August 10, 2006 Posted August 10, 2006 there are alot of cma schools that still do not spar. However, there are some that do and are quite good. It all depends on where and how you are training.
NoBeThere Posted August 11, 2006 Posted August 11, 2006 With respect, check out Kung Fu San Soo. It is all about combat. There are good threads on it right here on this forum.
bushido_man96 Posted August 11, 2006 Posted August 11, 2006 Incidentally, Don "The Dragon" Wilson was a very successful kickboxer, who was a Chinese stylist. https://www.haysgym.comhttp://www.sunyis.com/https://www.aikidoofnorthwestkansas.com
alsey Posted August 11, 2006 Posted August 11, 2006 i've heard a lot about san soo. i've never actually seen anyone doing it though. i'll see if i can find anything on youtube. "Gently return to the simple physical sensation of the breath. Then do it again, and again, and again. Somewhere in this process, you will come face-to-face with the sudden and shocking realization that you are completely crazy. Your mind is a shrieking, gibbering madhouse on wheels." - ven. henepola gunaratana
HG Posted August 11, 2006 Posted August 11, 2006 Chinese martial art schools that teach form & the training methods (faht) behind them can fight. Choy Lay Fut, Jow Ga, Hsing-I, Wing Chun & Hung-Ga are just a few systems that have well established fighting reputations.
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